Personal THEISM Hides FEAR (of being alone )

From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm


For many who believe in a PERSONAL GOD (and hence a personal SATAN, LUCIFER, DEVIL), the "FEAR of Being Alone" is worse than the "fear of HELL"...IN HELL, one is "HOT" and not alone, as (apparently) MANY are the damned.


4d-don Said:

The first steps to "salvation" from the NEED for a personal GOD or THEISM, is to expose, deal with, and cure "SORROW", this loneliness, or sadness. (not the YEARNING which is POSITIVE). This Sorrow, is self-created as many (if not all) fantasies, but encouraged and guided by most RELIGIONS, through manipulation of our fear of being alone. It begins with the Proselytizer himself/herself being "afraid of being alone" and then CREATING or DISCOVERING a fantasy (anecdote, story, poem, song,) that relates or addresses that dis-ease and then presuming it in others through: generalized SCRIPTURES and other "Authorities" and then offering SALVATION from IT. And it is what the GROUP (Religions) offers.

If one is a "believer" in the first place, one, as part of the GREAT ONE (NUMBER), is "IN REALITY" never alone. It is not possible, and a fantasy, a delusion, or a false fear in itself.

The fear of DEATH, (another LORD who "comes like a thief") is the other facet of this fear of "the black hole" as opposed to the promised "HEAVEN" with the "white clouds", trickling water, green pastures, the fluffy little angels, and temperate heat, pleasant light and sound, "music", (no rhythm, ephemeral, no melody, so nothing to remember or "THINK OF"... just sounds but "NICE and SOFT")

Fantasies are nice but to believe them is ??

What's the difference between a Neurotic, a Psychotic, and a psychiatrist?

The neurotic builds castles in Spain, the Psychotic lives in them and the Psychiatrist collects the rent!!

In the case of RELIGIONS and GODS, THE PRIESTS collects the RENT for the POPES and the physical structure of RELIGION.

(4d-don / November 11, 2007 - 03:34 am)

Judas, The Comeback

This is from NEWSBLOG in the Guardian of
April 7, 2006 1:45 PM

(See my comment below)

With the happy news that Judas, one of history's most vilified traitors, was just following orders and not such a bad guy after all, it seems as good a time as any to cast a backwards glance over some of the great rehabilitations of our time.

Judas: this is what really happened

Julian Borger and Stephen Bates
Friday April 7, 2006
The Guardian

After being reviled for almost 2,000 years as the embodiment of treachery, Judas Iscariot's side of the story was finally published yesterday. Thanks to a newly discovered gospel in Judas's name, we now know what his excuse was: Jesus made me do it.

The Gospel of Judas, a fragile clutch of a leather-bound papyrus thought to have been inscribed in about AD300, was unveiled yesterday in Washington by the National Geographic Society, and it represents a radical makeover for one of the worst reputations in history.

According to this version of events, not only was Judas obeying orders when he handed Jesus to his persecutors, he was Christ's most trusted disciple, singled out to receive mystical knowledge.

According to the 26-page gospel, copied in the ancient Coptic language apparently from a Greek original more than a hundred years older, Jesus told Judas: "Step away from the others and I shall tell you the mysteries of the kingdom. It is possible for you to reach it, but you will grieve a great deal."

In the days before the fateful Passover holiday, Jesus also told Judas: "You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me." The line, according to biblical scholars, suggests that Jesus chose Judas to help him achieve his destiny by liberating him from his earthly body.

"It's a striking contrast with the negative portrayal of Judas as the quintessential traitor," said Marvin Meyer, a biblical scholar from Chapman University in California who helped translate the gospel. "The figure of Judas is often portrayed as the evil Jewish person who turned Jesus in to be killed."

It is unlikely, however, that the documents are about to trigger a total rehabilitation for the Iscariot name, with shrines in his name and readings from his gospel at church services, let alone a film treatment by Mel Gibson.

The initial reaction from Christian scholars was wary. Even if the gospel is authentic, they said, it appears to be the work of a particular 2nd-century sect, the gnostics, who had different beliefs from the mainstream church and who were long ago declared heretical.

The leading biblical scholar and translator of the dead sea scrolls, Professor Geza Vermes of Oxford University, said: "The document is of interest for the ideas of the gnostics but it almost certainly adds nothing to our understanding of what happened 150 years before it was written."

But the Gospel of Judas is bound to focus more attention on the gnostics, whose belief that they possessed secret knowledge leading to salvation resonates with new-age mysticism. Another gnostic text, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, discovered a century ago, has been given a dose of publicity lately by The Da Vinci Code.

The manuscript also serves as a reminder that the four gospels in the New Testament were not the only versions of Jesus's life in the early Christian era, according to Bart Ehrman, a religious studies professor at the University of North Carolina, at its unveiling yesterday. "In the struggle among Christian groups to win converts only one emerged victorious," he said. "It declared itself orthodox and all others heretics."

The Gospel of Judas is known to have existed before AD180, when it was denounced as heretical by Bishop Irenaeus of Lyon. But it was thought to have been lost when the gnostics were vanquished in the struggle of ideas in the early years of Christianity.

The papyrus manuscript, also known as a codex, was found in an Egyptian cave in 1978. It circulated among antiquities traders for a while before it was locked in a safe deposit box in Long Island, New York, by a collector. It was bought in 2000 by a Swiss dealer, who realised its importance and its rapidly deteriorating condition and handed it over to the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art in Basel the next year.

"The manuscript was so brittle, it would crumble at the slightest touch," said Rodolphe Kasser, a Coptic expert called in to help reconstruct it.

It has taken five years to reassemble the fragments, translate the manuscript and authenticate it. Radiocarbon dating by the University of Arizona showed it was likely to have been written between AD220 and 340.

Scholars in Britain pointed out that the document appeared to have been written several decades after the last of the gospels in the New Testament - that of John - and at least a century after the death of Judas Iscariot.

The Rt Rev John Pritchard, the Church of England Bishop of Jarrow, said: "I don't think it changes anything about the truth of the Christian faith. There has long been a theory that Judas wanted to flush Jesus out, to declare a rebellion and drive the Romans out and killed himself when he realised he had got it wrong, but we don't know that and neither did whoever wrote this document decades after the event. This is not something to put your faith on."

By the time the Gospel of Judas was written the basic content of the New Testament was in place; the criteria for choosing the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, as opposed to any of up to 30 alternatives, were their authenticity and direct authorial links to men who knew Jesus. Other texts, including presumably this one, were sifted out over succeeding centuries.

According to the Gospel of Judas, Jesus tells him: "You will be cursed by the other generations - and you will come to rule over them."

The first half of that prophecy has certainly come to pass. The second, even after yesterday's revelations, still seems a long way off.

· The Gospel of Judas will be shown on the National Geographic Channel on Sunday at 9pm

4d-don commented:

Hi Christians...

Amazing again that the gnostics resurface millenia after they were massacred by the "orthodox catholics" in the name of Christ. The (intellectual) slaughter still goes on as so-called officials of the orthodox churches, without knowing anything of importance on the subject, and not versed on the subject, reject the authenticity and even the hypothesis that the document could be accurate, out of hand. Is that the best "expertism" has to offer, and what or who should we put our faith in? A judgement without a trial? Christ would have wished better for his Apostles, even for Judas and Mary Magdalen. And what about the other of the original 12. Were they also "edited" out because of the content of their writings?

For the love of "Christ", have a heart for Poor Judas, and Mary Magdalen et al and let them have a "legacy" beside that of a traitor and a whore, all built on the rambling and ravings of power-hungry and corrupt Orthodox Imperialists of the 2nd and 3rd Centuries. The so-called "Holy Roman Catholic Church" the remnants of the Holy Roman EMPIRE!

Have a Heart and become Christ-like if not Christians...

4d-Don

Put God and Holy Books on Trial

From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm

4d-don said:

It is HIGH TIME to put GOD and the HOLY BOOKS of all religions ON TRIAL (International Tribunal).

Any criminal activity (hatred, incitement to hatred, murder, incitement to murder, genocide, conspiracy, and many more...) by either the "GOD" or "His/Her/It's" (usually male) REPRESENTATIVES should bring a removal of the "tax-exempt" status of the RELIGION in all UN Countries.

The evidence of criminal activity by many Religions is in black and white in their HOLY BOOKS.

If GOD is found "innocent" then IT's representatives should be forced to remove from the HOLY BOOKS the sections where the crimes are attributed to, or ordered by "GOD" as a condition for the continued operation of the RELIGION (cult) in any UN countries.

RELIGIONS should not be "tax-exempt" for creating a social problem (crime) and not adhering to the civil laws of the land, but if doing charity work, only the CHARITY WORK portion of that religion (cult) should be TAX EXEMPT, not the PROSELYTIZING of what now appears to be a CRIMINAL GOD, served by criminal representatives and gullible and naive but innocent followers!!

(4d-Don / October 24, 2007 - 09:11 pm)

How about a number for GOD...ONE?

Taken from:
http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm

Kim Piercey said:

One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. God wants to be your Saviour not your judge. Turn to Him and life will change. You can mock all you like but the truth is nothing in life will satisfy you until you have tried God!
(Kim Piercey / October 16, 2007 - 00:26 pm)

4d-Don said:

Those (Judeo-Christians) who pretend to know what their God (from the Goth (Germanic) empire that sacked Rome in the 4th century of the "common era" (CE)) wants, says and does always say that their God wants to SAVE us (and then punish us if we refuse). From WHAT? Satan, is what they answer. A powerful OPPOSITE of their GOD. MONOTHEISM is now DUALITY.

To speak for the ONE is a disease (psychosis that leads to megalomania), not a virtue.

To claim to know what the ONE desires is "blasphemy", as ONE (what they call G-O-D) does not have "attributes", wants and desires they claim.

To put Christ as GOD (Trinity) and then to call it by the lowly name of LORD (such as LORD Conrad Black et al) is "idolatry" at best and so "Constantinean" (see the Roman Emperor and his role in this schismic travesty) at worse.

Now the name for the ONE in Judaism is "Yahweh", or JEHOVA, not G-O-D. The Greek concept that preceded the Judaic concept of Yahweh and Elohim was LOGOS (LOGIC as defined by SOUND) not the static and germanic translation: "WORD". This LOGOS is translated in French as "VERB" not G-O-D or WORD. (see John 1).

To believe in GOD and not YAHWEH, ELOHIM, LOGOS, is so GERMANIC or GOTH! Now do you wonder why the resurgence of the GOTH culture in our YOUTH? Not the SPIRITUAL ACME of THEOLOGY for HOMO SAPIENS!

Those who are atheist and do not believe in your or any of the many GODs, CHRISTs (Messiah), WORDs, and who believe that MAN (homo sapiens) must save HIMSELF also have a "hard-wired" need for the MYSTICAL experience, hence believe in SOMETHING...WE just don't call it GOD, LORD, KING, etc...IT IS TOO LOWLY! Some, but not all, prefer ONE, UNITY, ALL etc... and what about NO ATTRIBUTES FOR THE ONE (such as FATHER, MALE, etc...)

WHAT ABOUT A NUMBER? ONE? ALL?

GET TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW! STOP FIGHTING and WAR!!

Christ, when he was living was not LORD and did not die as a LORD!

If God (Yahweh, Elohim, LOGOS) is LORD, then he (male) should be made a member of the MALE HOUSE OF LORDS, not the house (pantheon) of the SPIRITUAL (no gender) GODS!

(4d-don / October 22, 2007 - 10:13 pm)

Validating Proof of the ONE

Taken from: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm

Adam Sandler said:

u suck, i mean you dont even offer validating proof of ANY of your ideas or "facts"
(adam sandler / October 10, 2007 - 01:33 am)

4d-don said:

Those who "demand" validating proof of the "non-existence" of a "MYTH" (GOD) created by our un-developed, warring, and frightened fore-fathers obviously must have "validating" proof of the existence of the ONE (the Divine, what some call "GOD"). That PROOF? Their HOLY BOOKs... which are now considered "scientific" or validating proof of not only the ONE, but of his opponent "SATAN" or the DEMONS of the "underworld" who will EAT you if you don't perform certain RITUALS...

What was once called "CREATIONISM" is now called by the more scientific "INTELLIGENT DESIGN"...We can agree with that ONE! The UNIVERSE IS INTELLIGENT although some parts of the UNIVERSE (the ALL) or ONE (GOD) are more "intelligent" than others.

From the ONE of MONO-theism, comes the Duality of "inside and outside" of GOD...So accordingly, the ONE is not ALL, but there is a group of (damned) spirits and a "FIRE", who are outside the ONE and live in the HELL of "OUT THERE". That is not MONO (ONE) but DUAL-ity (TWO)...and all without "symetry"...

According to them, The ONE is IMPERFECT since there are someones or somethings "OUTSIDE" of the ONE...And apparently, the ONE is NOT A PERSON but a SPIRIT or I prefer: ALL...

Those who worship a PERSONAL ONE cannot PROVE the existence of that ONE (person), those who don't believe in that ONE can't prove it's "non-existence".

That is the "Science" of RELIGION...which is also the science of "Fantasy".

Whatever you can "think", you can CREATE...And if you write it down, the "gullible" followers will come! Be it Harry Potter or GOD...

Creating a RELIGION is easy...Ask PT Barnum who said: "There is a new one (sucker) born every minute."

(4d-don / October 14, 2007 - 09:00 pm)

From THEOS to LOGOS to YAHWEH to DEUS to GOTH to GOD

Taken from: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm

The personal "GOD" of the Christians, Allah of the Muslims, and even the "no-name, no form" Yahweh/Elohim of the Jews, is more of a POLITICIAN and Military leader with Male (testosterone) emotions, some favourites or "pets", than a CREATIVE Process or a LAW without a "personality".

The personal Christian "G-o-d", made up of two closed-mouth consonants "G-D" enclosing the open-mouth vowel "O", comes from the word Goth, of the Germanic tribe, the Goth (Ostrogoths- Eastern Goths, the Visigoth- Western- Noble- Children of Goth), who along with their cousins, the Vandals, (who gave us "vandalism") sacked Rome in the 4th centruy as they were being displaced from their land by the advancing Huns)

We are seeing the resurgence of the GOTH culture in our youth. The current Gothic youths seems to be doing to the current culture what the ancient Goths did to the "Holy Roman Church" that had become the ruthless and terrorist state religion of the disintegrating Roman Empire, in the 4th century, following the Byzantine (roman) emperor, Constantine.

From that "take-over" of Constantine (the State), of the small "Jesus movement", also came the Trinity of God, making Christ the second person in a Divine Trinity, so Constantine, also a (pagan) GOD could become a Christian and have his sins of the murder of members of his family forgiven as offered by Christianity. This the pagan religion would not do. Constantine had a Church built at Byzantium with 12 podiums on columns, for the statues of the apostles (now limited to 12men, with no women, even the ones who stood at the cross as Jesus, the Nazarene, died and the twelve male apostles were hiding in fear of receiving the same fate), and one podium for himself, the GOD, Constantine. From the Council of Nicea came the Nicene Creed, whereby all Christians pledge to believe this "TRUTH".

Later came invasion of the Huns and migration of the VISIGOTHS (Western, Noble or the Children of Goth or God), and the Vandals who sacked Rome and defeated the Romans led by Valens.

To read the Nicene Creed from the Council of Nicea organized by Roman Emperor Constantine in 325 CE.
http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm

For translation of the document from the Council of Nicaea (Nicea or Nice)
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3801.htm

The battle of the Goth versus the Christian (Roman) Church/Empire although brought about by the advancing invasions of the Huns, is similar to the later Master Race (Nazis-German) versus the "chosen people" (Jews) for the position of the "favourites" or the Teacher's Pet or the ONE (what is now commonly called G-O-D in the Germanic languages, that include "English"). The Catholics, under Constantine believed in a Trinity as pledged by Constantine's Nicene Creed, the Visigoths followed the teachings of the Egyptian Bishop Arius, who did not believe in the TRINITY and the inclusion of Jesus of Nazareth as GOD. The Goth thought and showed themselves as the "prefered" of God with their overt suffering (hence the white painted faces and dark clothes, flagellation, etc.).

Let us at least call the UNITY or the ONE, what we, homo sapiens, are "hard-wired" for, according to recent science, the "mystical experience", by a name that is ONE or UNIVERSAL and that has no human attributes such as GENDER, Emotions, Moods and is not a PERSON. The Goth empire is no more but we kept the "gothic arch" in Church architecture, and their name for the Creator: Goth or God.

Just a thought...

(4d-don / 11/09/07 - 20:46)

The LAW-From ONE to ALL including ATHEISTS

From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm

For all "Christians" and other THE-ists (From the Greek Theos=God the ONE Creator)?...(notice that it's close to "THEY", the sacred INSTITUTE of "THEY"). Well, THEY died... I heard it on the NEWS and THEY never lie. lol ;-))

The culture that gave you (and us) "Christ", your Messiah (Saviour) and the Old Testament in the Bible has many myths and symbols.

Do Christians ever wonder why the culture who's history is carried in a "sacred document", includes the concept of the primacy of the "LAW"?

If we look at other cultures guided by the "LAW" carried in their Sacred Books of MYTHS and SYMBOLS, including the LAW OF ONE of the MYTHIC (or even SYMBOLIC) lost Atlantean culture, one finds the same guiding compendium of moral and ethical tenets of that culture at that time including some "un-elevated" and "survivalist" tenets such as the "discrimination" against "homosexuality".

The tribe, to remain "vital", has to sustain it's numbers or grow, and the historic "male/female" copulating was necessary at some past historic time for the survival of the tribes. Inner and inter-tribal copulating was the norm with a few "outside" sperms and/or eggs added to diversify the gene-pool. This "inspiration" to explore other territory and spread the "seeds", came to the "rebels" and/or misfits of the clans, the explorers and the adventurers.

The same for some "cleanliness laws such as: "menstruating" women were not to swim in the pools and/or ride in a saddle at the time of the "curse" that was menstruation.

If these LAWS were inspired by The ONE or THE UNITY (what some call God, the Creator, etc) either through "evolution" or "mind meld" as in the sci-fi Star Trek or the "Divine inspiration" of the theists, then "IT" seems to have given "IT" broad and wide to many and maybe all cultures at different "evolutionary" times and changed "IT" (the so-called "inspiration") as the need and the "knowledge base" changed.

That would be like a "ONE" or a "UNITY" which is not "tribal" but UNIVERSAL as in ONE - VERSE....(uni=one)

Sing together my children!! Together we are a "symphony". You (we) all have the same "inspiration" or "IT" from the ONE (Creator) to the ALL (Creation). Some (humanists, atheists) get it through "evolution", some (theists, religious, cultists) get it through "inspiration" and some (adherents to the other theisms, "religions" and cults) get it through "myths and fantasies" and some get IT from other games of the Universal MIND.

(4d-don / September 06, 2007 - 08:53 pm)