The ONE, the LOGOS and Monotheism

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Gravitondragon said:

I ask that you please read this through with an open mind, as I know of your belief about God. I can see you are set against God. You probably don't believe the Bible, but it has been around nearly 2000 years and is yet to be proven false. Archeology has excavated many sites in reference to the Scriptures and found evidence on many occasions, confirming its accuracy. If it is as accurate about things of history, why should I not then logically move on to look at what caused this? The Bible is more historically accurate than any other book of antiquity and does not contradict itself. For example, the gospels are written by four different authors. If you look closely at the text, you will find that while later copies add or don't elaborate on certain points they all portray the same message. Also, Jesus is the theme of the Bible. If, like atheists say, the world is made from matter, then where did it come from? I understand that you do not wish to ask this question, but how can I blindly accept anything without looking at the facts? I don't believe that you are a bad person, in fact it is an act of bravery to make your views so public. If possible, I would like to set up a chat to further discuss this. I will continue to read your website.
Take care and I look forward to your reply.

(gravitondragon / July 1st, 2007 - 01:10 am)


SP said:

I feel so sorry for you. It's sad for me to see someone who is unable to connect with that which has no name, that which is beyond reason and mindset. I wish you wisdom.

(SP / July 3, 2007 - 10:20 am)

4d-don said:

To quote the Bible as a proof of the existence of the ONE, the UNITY what some call by the Gothic "GOD", (from the Germanic tribe, the Goth, that invaded Rome in 4th century, common era, not Christian era, is like quoting "Mein Kempf" to prove the concept of the MASTER RACE (the CHOSEN PEOPLE). That was once the claim of the JEWS, as well as most religions, and is now the the claim of the CHRISTIANS. It's a disease called Monotheism, and it spreads.

The ONE (what some call God) if seen as a number or an abstraction to represent the UNITY in ALL, is then not a word (except in such compound words as "one-ness" to convey attributes of UNITY to words and concepts. Then "in the beginning" (Christian Bible, John 1) was not THE WORD (but the NUMBER). Yahweh means "no name" (no word), "no form", "no attributes". And that is only one of the names in the Christian BIBLE for the ONE, (the MONO of Monotheism). The other word is ELOHIM and that makes up the two Biblical words for The ONE, the UNITY, belonging to two tribes that later made up ISRAEL, the Yahwehists and the Elohimists.

The Greek concept used by John, the apostle, in John 1 of the Christian Bible, to express the ONE (GOD), is LOGOS. In the beginning was the LOGOS.(John 1) This is a philosophical concept and means: LOGIC as defined by sound, using the arrangement of sounds called: words. So MOTION! A dynamic concept that is not STATIC, as A DOGMA or A WORD! But LOGOS was translated that way by the "ELITE" for the control of the "lowly mass". A "word" can be "solid" and hence "sold". Logic has to be taught and then the student of LOGIC does not need the TEACHER anymore. So religion loses it's pyramidal (top down) control.

In French, the Biblical LOGOS was translated as: "le verbe", or the verb. Again, dynamic and in MOTION. An action, and not STATIC, as a DOGMA or a WORD.

That was early Christ's teaching according to JOHN, his friend.

MAKE SENSE (logic) WITH WORDS OR YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE LOGOS OF JOHN, the beloved of Jesus, the CHRIST (Messiah)

I find that many who quote the Bible have never read it but are just repeating what others have said about it. (the preachers). I have read the Catholic, King James, New Jerusalem (Jeru=NEW, so NEW SALEM), and many of the "modern" versions" of the old "compilations". I find many illogical and inaccurate accounts, too many to list. Those who say that it has never been "proven" are just apologists for a document that is as archaic as the fundamental concepts they espouse such as the one that Women can't be Popes or Masters (If transfered to India) or even "apostles" (note Mary the Magdalene and other brave women who stood at the cross as Jesus died, while the other "apostles" hid in fear for their lives, are not "apostles").

And then there's the ORIGINAL SIN! The alleged sin of ADAM and EVE that we all now are "guilty of". Now that is a good ONE ! Very "logical" according to some...or LOGOS!! lol I'm sure glad our "fought for" and democratic civil legal system is intellectually loftier than the Religious laws that espouses that type of DOGMA!


4d-don - July 8, 2007