From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Gravitondragon said:
I ask that you please read this through with an open mind, as I know of your belief about God. I can see you are set against God. You probably don't believe the Bible, but it has been around nearly 2000 years and is yet to be proven false. Archeology has excavated many sites in reference to the Scriptures and found evidence on many occasions, confirming its accuracy. If it is as accurate about things of history, why should I not then logically move on to look at what caused this? The Bible is more historically accurate than any other book of antiquity and does not contradict itself. For example, the gospels are written by four different authors. If you look closely at the text, you will find that while later copies add or don't elaborate on certain points they all portray the same message. Also, Jesus is the theme of the Bible. If, like atheists say, the world is made from matter, then where did it come from? I understand that you do not wish to ask this question, but how can I blindly accept anything without looking at the facts? I don't believe that you are a bad person, in fact it is an act of bravery to make your views so public. If possible, I would like to set up a chat to further discuss this. I will continue to read your website.
Take care and I look forward to your reply.
(gravitondragon / July 1st, 2007 - 01:10 am)
SP said:
I feel so sorry for you. It's sad for me to see someone who is unable to connect with that which has no name, that which is beyond reason and mindset. I wish you wisdom.
(SP / July 3, 2007 - 10:20 am)
4d-don said:
To quote the Bible as a proof of the existence of the ONE, the UNITY what some call by the Gothic "GOD", (from the Germanic tribe, the Goth, that invaded Rome in 4th century, common era, not Christian era, is like quoting "Mein Kempf" to prove the concept of the MASTER RACE (the CHOSEN PEOPLE). That was once the claim of the JEWS, as well as most religions, and is now the the claim of the CHRISTIANS. It's a disease called Monotheism, and it spreads.
The ONE (what some call God) if seen as a number or an abstraction to represent the UNITY in ALL, is then not a word (except in such compound words as "one-ness" to convey attributes of UNITY to words and concepts. Then "in the beginning" (Christian Bible, John 1) was not THE WORD (but the NUMBER). Yahweh means "no name" (no word), "no form", "no attributes". And that is only one of the names in the Christian BIBLE for the ONE, (the MONO of Monotheism). The other word is ELOHIM and that makes up the two Biblical words for The ONE, the UNITY, belonging to two tribes that later made up ISRAEL, the Yahwehists and the Elohimists.
The Greek concept used by John, the apostle, in John 1 of the Christian Bible, to express the ONE (GOD), is LOGOS. In the beginning was the LOGOS.(John 1) This is a philosophical concept and means: LOGIC as defined by sound, using the arrangement of sounds called: words. So MOTION! A dynamic concept that is not STATIC, as A DOGMA or A WORD! But LOGOS was translated that way by the "ELITE" for the control of the "lowly mass". A "word" can be "solid" and hence "sold". Logic has to be taught and then the student of LOGIC does not need the TEACHER anymore. So religion loses it's pyramidal (top down) control.
In French, the Biblical LOGOS was translated as: "le verbe", or the verb. Again, dynamic and in MOTION. An action, and not STATIC, as a DOGMA or a WORD.
That was early Christ's teaching according to JOHN, his friend.
MAKE SENSE (logic) WITH WORDS OR YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE LOGOS OF JOHN, the beloved of Jesus, the CHRIST (Messiah)
I find that many who quote the Bible have never read it but are just repeating what others have said about it. (the preachers). I have read the Catholic, King James, New Jerusalem (Jeru=NEW, so NEW SALEM), and many of the "modern" versions" of the old "compilations". I find many illogical and inaccurate accounts, too many to list. Those who say that it has never been "proven" are just apologists for a document that is as archaic as the fundamental concepts they espouse such as the one that Women can't be Popes or Masters (If transfered to India) or even "apostles" (note Mary the Magdalene and other brave women who stood at the cross as Jesus died, while the other "apostles" hid in fear for their lives, are not "apostles").
And then there's the ORIGINAL SIN! The alleged sin of ADAM and EVE that we all now are "guilty of". Now that is a good ONE ! Very "logical" according to some...or LOGOS!! lol I'm sure glad our "fought for" and democratic civil legal system is intellectually loftier than the Religious laws that espouses that type of DOGMA!
4d-don - July 8, 2007
Saturday, July 14, 2007
The HOPEFUL Bummers!
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Oviettiv said:
'am really impressed!!
(obiettiv / June 19, 2007 - 09:43 pm)
Rachel Crossley said:
Terrible website, u bummmers
(Rachel Crossley / June 18, 2007 - 10:12 am)
Christian said:
You pose some interesting questions. I have spent some time studying some of your material. I was just wondering if you believe in the concept of truth. If so, I would like to know. I will continue to examine your website. God Bless.
(christian / July 1st, 2007 - 00:45 am)
4d-don said:
We have HOPE and we are called "BUMMERS"... I guess it's not the "right kind of HOPE"... Like the kind that comes from a "legitimate" "church"... That's like saying that if you play the kitchen spoons, you are not really a "spoon player" as to truly be a "spoon player", one has to use the "musical Instruments" bought at a "legitimate" music store. You know the kind that are "stuck together already.
We are taking back our HOPE also because the RELIGIOUS fear of a HELL is not enough of a motivator. It does not stop "evil" from existing as collectively having created the "hell" from fantasy to "reality" simply by saying it, writing it and and then "collectively" believing it, the "lowest among us" will become curious to experience that "evil"...
Where is the HOPE in the Religious HELL and the other attributes of the realm of EVIL disguised as "GOOD"..
Hell is the absence of God (not the ONE). So there is an Inside and an Outside of God. So God has dual qualities. It is also Male, so female is outside?
Logic is better than Fantasy in this case. ;-)) ONE IS ALL... ALL IS ONE...(no gender, no maleness, no duality...ONE IN ALL and ALL IN ONE... Alexandre Dumas (loosely) in the Three Musketeers...lol
(4d-don / June 26, 2007 - 00:56 am)
Saturday, July 7, 2007
See how they LOVE ONE ANOTHER
See how they LOVE ONE ANOTHER!
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
4d-don said:
One can always tell who the Religious people are. They are the ones who wish their neighbours the curse of hell for eternity, and even create a space, the mythical ("hell") awaiting the "saintly" non-believers to go to forever. And not only for a crime or sin committed but also for the sins of "the Fathers" and/or if one does not take their delusional fantasy seriously. They even create a "Satan" to tempt one into "sinning" and to trick one into adhering to and believing in the his "non-existence".
Such fantasies are called "dogmas" or "truths". Satan's "modus operandi" to get one to believe that HE (male just like their minor tribal "GOD" and not the ONE) does not exist is to use one's desires and passions. In religion hides this spiritual "sickness" that we will have to define before we can evolve out of the childhood tantrums that are wars and "violence" against the fellow HUMANS. Even "intellectual" terrorism that is the fear created around this "punishment" of the religious hell, as if one was "guilty" from birth, has to be exposed as a societal disease that has to be "exorcised" as we reach "childhood's end", to quote Arthur C Clark.
(4d-don / June 24, 2007 - 06:44 am)
The Bummers (with faith, hope and charity and LOVE)
The Bummers!
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Rachel said:
Terrible website, u bummmers
(Rachel Crossley / June 18, 2007 - 10:12 am)
4d-don said:
We have HOPE and we are called "BUMMERS"... I guess it's not the "right kind of HOPE"... Like the kind that comes from a "legitimate" "church"... That's like saying that if you play the kitchen spoons, you are not really a "spoon player" as to truly be a "spoon player", one has to use the "musical Instruments" bought at a "legitimate" music store. You know the kind that are "stuck together already.
We are taking back our HOPE also because the RELIGIOUS fear of a HELL is not enough of a motivator. It does not stop "evil" from existing as collectively having created the "hell" from fantasy to "reality" simply by saying it, writing it and and then "collectively" believing it, the "lowest among us" will become curious to experience that "evil"...
Where is the HOPE in the Religious HELL and the other attributes of the realm of EVIL disguised as "GOOD"..
Hell is the absence of God (not the ONE). So there is an Inside and an Outside of God. So God has dual qualities. It is also Male, so female is outside?
Logic is better than Fantasy in this case. ;-)) ONE IS ALL... ALL IS ONE...(no gender, no maleness, no duality...ONE IN ALL and ALL IN ONE... Alexandre Dumas (loosely) in the Muscateers...lol
(4d-don / June 26, 2007 - 00:56 am)
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Rachel said:
Terrible website, u bummmers
(Rachel Crossley / June 18, 2007 - 10:12 am)
4d-don said:
We have HOPE and we are called "BUMMERS"... I guess it's not the "right kind of HOPE"... Like the kind that comes from a "legitimate" "church"... That's like saying that if you play the kitchen spoons, you are not really a "spoon player" as to truly be a "spoon player", one has to use the "musical Instruments" bought at a "legitimate" music store. You know the kind that are "stuck together already.
We are taking back our HOPE also because the RELIGIOUS fear of a HELL is not enough of a motivator. It does not stop "evil" from existing as collectively having created the "hell" from fantasy to "reality" simply by saying it, writing it and and then "collectively" believing it, the "lowest among us" will become curious to experience that "evil"...
Where is the HOPE in the Religious HELL and the other attributes of the realm of EVIL disguised as "GOOD"..
Hell is the absence of God (not the ONE). So there is an Inside and an Outside of God. So God has dual qualities. It is also Male, so female is outside?
Logic is better than Fantasy in this case. ;-)) ONE IS ALL... ALL IS ONE...(no gender, no maleness, no duality...ONE IN ALL and ALL IN ONE... Alexandre Dumas (loosely) in the Muscateers...lol
(4d-don / June 26, 2007 - 00:56 am)
Sunday, May 27, 2007
Calendars and Space, Time and Motion
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Colin Said:
you can please some of the people some time....... I just wish I had more of it!
(colin scholey / 17/05/07 - 17:54)
4d-don said:
Has anyone noticed how religions have historically controlled the dating systems (calendrics) of most cultures. TIME has also erroneously been made akin to a "dimension" and as such, something as real as MOTION or even as real as the volume that is SPACE that we can apparently, according to religions, run out of in this mortal 3d life, but that never runs out in the 4d (or n...d) of eternity and where we apparently get our spiritual or religious rewards or punishment. Hence: the Christian fantasy of Heaven, guarded by St Peter and Michael the Archangel, or Hell guarded by Lucifer or Satan, the devil and his demons. (Greek- Hades, the "netherworld" or the realm of PLUTO with its guard, the demon, Cerberus).
If TIME is simply a measurement of CHANGE or MOTION, then TIME is not something that we can be short of any more than we can run out of length, width or height, the measurements of space. TIME is not a "dimension" but half of a dimension, as TIME, because of MOTION, only goes in one direction whereas dimensions have two directions. (forward/backward, right/left, up/down, of 3d or the in/out of 4d, etc...) We then get the paradox that if we go faster than the speed of light, the Universe would spin backwards and TIME would go also backwards. It's a nice story but "it ain't-a gonna happen"!
The new concept to replace "spacetime" would then either be the "all-space" or better still, "SPACEMOTION".
It is time for our global society or civilization to take back the counting and understanding of TIME and calendrics away from the CHURCHES and at least start counting from an "astronomical" event and not a tribal "societal" event such as the birth of a man or a myth. We now have a need a calendar with three linked MOTIONS: the revolution of the moon in its orbit around the earth, the 24 hour rotation or spin of the earth relative to the sun, and the revolution of the earth in its orbit around the sun. Soon we will need to include the rotation of our star's (the sun) orbit around the galaxy in our calendars, describing the rotation or spin of the galaxy.
We are LIFE, not simply Matter, but Matter plus Energy. As such, we change our individual coatings but we, as LIFE, "GO ON"... We are now experiencing a "carbon" phase. The journey is not "OVER" with this life-TIME. Now, the memories that are stored on the duplicating capabilities of "carbon" will be tranformed to memory on other elements. We are then "elementals" in MOTION, going through a "carbon" phase...;-))...What's element is next?
(4d-don / 24/05/07 - 19:34)
Colin Said:
you can please some of the people some time....... I just wish I had more of it!
(colin scholey / 17/05/07 - 17:54)
4d-don said:
Has anyone noticed how religions have historically controlled the dating systems (calendrics) of most cultures. TIME has also erroneously been made akin to a "dimension" and as such, something as real as MOTION or even as real as the volume that is SPACE that we can apparently, according to religions, run out of in this mortal 3d life, but that never runs out in the 4d (or n...d) of eternity and where we apparently get our spiritual or religious rewards or punishment. Hence: the Christian fantasy of Heaven, guarded by St Peter and Michael the Archangel, or Hell guarded by Lucifer or Satan, the devil and his demons. (Greek- Hades, the "netherworld" or the realm of PLUTO with its guard, the demon, Cerberus).
If TIME is simply a measurement of CHANGE or MOTION, then TIME is not something that we can be short of any more than we can run out of length, width or height, the measurements of space. TIME is not a "dimension" but half of a dimension, as TIME, because of MOTION, only goes in one direction whereas dimensions have two directions. (forward/backward, right/left, up/down, of 3d or the in/out of 4d, etc...) We then get the paradox that if we go faster than the speed of light, the Universe would spin backwards and TIME would go also backwards. It's a nice story but "it ain't-a gonna happen"!
The new concept to replace "spacetime" would then either be the "all-space" or better still, "SPACEMOTION".
It is time for our global society or civilization to take back the counting and understanding of TIME and calendrics away from the CHURCHES and at least start counting from an "astronomical" event and not a tribal "societal" event such as the birth of a man or a myth. We now have a need a calendar with three linked MOTIONS: the revolution of the moon in its orbit around the earth, the 24 hour rotation or spin of the earth relative to the sun, and the revolution of the earth in its orbit around the sun. Soon we will need to include the rotation of our star's (the sun) orbit around the galaxy in our calendars, describing the rotation or spin of the galaxy.
We are LIFE, not simply Matter, but Matter plus Energy. As such, we change our individual coatings but we, as LIFE, "GO ON"... We are now experiencing a "carbon" phase. The journey is not "OVER" with this life-TIME. Now, the memories that are stored on the duplicating capabilities of "carbon" will be tranformed to memory on other elements. We are then "elementals" in MOTION, going through a "carbon" phase...;-))...What's element is next?
(4d-don / 24/05/07 - 19:34)
Monday, May 14, 2007
My Song of Gratitude
My song of Gratitude
I feel so blessed to have lived in this SPACE and experienced these MOTIONs that I measure in TIME units of years, hours, minutes, seconds and in historical abstractions of centuries, millenia, eons, and now yugas, etc., as we become more Gobal and experience the influence of other older cultures such as India, China, and the many mixed races of all the other continents.
Our world is shrinking as our knowledge, and hence our abstract (and/or virtual) Reality is growing and getting larger. This experience of MOTION is not limited to this Time or Age but in this era, we seem to have developed mathematical methods of abstracting Space and Motion that is now putting TIME as a dimension (like the 3-dimensions of SPACE with its two directions in each dimension-for a 4d SPACETIME or Minkowski SPACE(time)) into question. TIME (clocks) may then become simply a measurement of distances and duration of MOTION, much as the ruler ( measuring tape) is a measurement of distances and duration of SPACE. The whole would then be called SPACEMOTION and replace SPACETIME.
Linear TIME seems to get stuck in "paradoxes" when envisionned from the expanse of Space. We have no greater Time than the TIME involved in the measurement of the Speed of Light before the paradoxes appear. In agreement with James Clerk Maxwell (of electromagnetic theory fame) we may have to open n... dimensions of Space into a "hyperspace" to fully comprehend the multi-dimensional REALITY of the UNIVERSE or Multiverse.
The possibility of Time Travel may be the Hollywood fantasy that we may have to sacrifice to the new SPACEMOTION Paradigm. The paradoxes around Time Travel for instance disappears when one realizes that the motion of the "relative" 3d reality can only be in "one direction" as far as the MOTION of Time is concerned, ie. from the past to the Future, with only the Present (NOW) opening into the 3d volume of our everyday experience.
SPACEMOTION allows for the 4th dimension (as the other n...dimensions) of Space to have two directions, an in and out motion (ana/cata) oscillating or in Motion. That Motion is measured in Time units. Unlike SPACETIME, SPACEMOTION then contains two real directions available to IT without the appearance of any paradox. Because of the rotation and orbits of planets, suns and galaxies in one direction only, TIME as a measurement of that MOTION, has only ONE direction! For time to have two directions, the planets, solar system, galaxy, would have to spin in both directions, and orbit in both directions, and the Galaxy would have to spiral in both directions etc...That IT does NOT do that is physical REALITY. The measurement of that direction or Motion (in Time Units) can only in REALITY be in one direction: from past to future or in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics: entropy.
To have lived at such an age that allows me to play music, with (Band in the Box, software), and to communicate with the world (on-line), to debate, and to write my "BOOK" (on-line) is so exciting. I can still hide, but I don't have to... I can speak and be heard and from the information and words of others, that I will verify against still other's words, I will learn to recognize some qualities of the sender, just like smell, sight, sound, touch, now we have the psy's...We are taking back our Psy's . lol ;-)) Knowledge, just as Justice, is now blind also. Knowledge was always blind, was but was only attached to an "expert". It was a case of the blind, leading the blind. Now, after realizing that knowledge is blind, we may finally see.
I feel like a tourist but I am still living at home. I have the best of both worlds.
As the next generation wants to control the many (3d) institutions that we, the "baby boomers", have created with our passing in such great numbers, we (the Boomers) will now move into the 4d (virtual) experience and there, we will again be the "majority" and "in the middle of the road" and can stay there if we want to.
I am so grateful... And it gets better in the future if we can learn to control the lower emotions wih the "intellect" that tool of the MIND, and allow the beauty and MOTION of the dynamic and transforming ONE (UNITY-or a demystified and de-pesonalized GOD) to come through "un-adulterated" by our filters as carbon- based life forms. Our carbon selves will eventually and inevitably change (morph or transition) to energy after a journey into the memory-retention capabilities of other elements such as silicon. This "energy" is our more real or higher electromagnetic selves. We are creatures of LIGHT going through a "carbon phase". Our consciousness, thus linked to carbon in crystalized form, may even be a low-level electromagnetic emanation, and thus able to imprint and hold information on carbon, and hence able to remember for one lifetime, not more yet, for most of us.
Packets of this information can and may adhere to itself by gravity and moves as units to be experienced by or linked to other electromagnetic entities and be called: deja vue, talent, gift, gut feeling, intuition, etc... These packets are not tied to linear TIME, but are in MOTION, and can be experienced as future memories such as prophesies as well as past memories or archives of the past (Akashic records).
Just a thought or two!
I feel so blessed to have lived in this SPACE and experienced these MOTIONs that I measure in TIME units of years, hours, minutes, seconds and in historical abstractions of centuries, millenia, eons, and now yugas, etc., as we become more Gobal and experience the influence of other older cultures such as India, China, and the many mixed races of all the other continents.
Our world is shrinking as our knowledge, and hence our abstract (and/or virtual) Reality is growing and getting larger. This experience of MOTION is not limited to this Time or Age but in this era, we seem to have developed mathematical methods of abstracting Space and Motion that is now putting TIME as a dimension (like the 3-dimensions of SPACE with its two directions in each dimension-for a 4d SPACETIME or Minkowski SPACE(time)) into question. TIME (clocks) may then become simply a measurement of distances and duration of MOTION, much as the ruler ( measuring tape) is a measurement of distances and duration of SPACE. The whole would then be called SPACEMOTION and replace SPACETIME.
Linear TIME seems to get stuck in "paradoxes" when envisionned from the expanse of Space. We have no greater Time than the TIME involved in the measurement of the Speed of Light before the paradoxes appear. In agreement with James Clerk Maxwell (of electromagnetic theory fame) we may have to open n... dimensions of Space into a "hyperspace" to fully comprehend the multi-dimensional REALITY of the UNIVERSE or Multiverse.
The possibility of Time Travel may be the Hollywood fantasy that we may have to sacrifice to the new SPACEMOTION Paradigm. The paradoxes around Time Travel for instance disappears when one realizes that the motion of the "relative" 3d reality can only be in "one direction" as far as the MOTION of Time is concerned, ie. from the past to the Future, with only the Present (NOW) opening into the 3d volume of our everyday experience.
SPACEMOTION allows for the 4th dimension (as the other n...dimensions) of Space to have two directions, an in and out motion (ana/cata) oscillating or in Motion. That Motion is measured in Time units. Unlike SPACETIME, SPACEMOTION then contains two real directions available to IT without the appearance of any paradox. Because of the rotation and orbits of planets, suns and galaxies in one direction only, TIME as a measurement of that MOTION, has only ONE direction! For time to have two directions, the planets, solar system, galaxy, would have to spin in both directions, and orbit in both directions, and the Galaxy would have to spiral in both directions etc...That IT does NOT do that is physical REALITY. The measurement of that direction or Motion (in Time Units) can only in REALITY be in one direction: from past to future or in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics: entropy.
To have lived at such an age that allows me to play music, with (Band in the Box, software), and to communicate with the world (on-line), to debate, and to write my "BOOK" (on-line) is so exciting. I can still hide, but I don't have to... I can speak and be heard and from the information and words of others, that I will verify against still other's words, I will learn to recognize some qualities of the sender, just like smell, sight, sound, touch, now we have the psy's...We are taking back our Psy's . lol ;-)) Knowledge, just as Justice, is now blind also. Knowledge was always blind, was but was only attached to an "expert". It was a case of the blind, leading the blind. Now, after realizing that knowledge is blind, we may finally see.
I feel like a tourist but I am still living at home. I have the best of both worlds.
As the next generation wants to control the many (3d) institutions that we, the "baby boomers", have created with our passing in such great numbers, we (the Boomers) will now move into the 4d (virtual) experience and there, we will again be the "majority" and "in the middle of the road" and can stay there if we want to.
I am so grateful... And it gets better in the future if we can learn to control the lower emotions wih the "intellect" that tool of the MIND, and allow the beauty and MOTION of the dynamic and transforming ONE (UNITY-or a demystified and de-pesonalized GOD) to come through "un-adulterated" by our filters as carbon- based life forms. Our carbon selves will eventually and inevitably change (morph or transition) to energy after a journey into the memory-retention capabilities of other elements such as silicon. This "energy" is our more real or higher electromagnetic selves. We are creatures of LIGHT going through a "carbon phase". Our consciousness, thus linked to carbon in crystalized form, may even be a low-level electromagnetic emanation, and thus able to imprint and hold information on carbon, and hence able to remember for one lifetime, not more yet, for most of us.
Packets of this information can and may adhere to itself by gravity and moves as units to be experienced by or linked to other electromagnetic entities and be called: deja vue, talent, gift, gut feeling, intuition, etc... These packets are not tied to linear TIME, but are in MOTION, and can be experienced as future memories such as prophesies as well as past memories or archives of the past (Akashic records).
Just a thought or two!
Sunday, May 6, 2007
Santa Clause and USA based on God?
From http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
There is said:
You have no idea what you are talking about, people. Here I am trying to write a school paper on freedom of religion and you guys are practicly BASHING God and all Godly things. It is rude and disgusting that any person could be so arrogant about there beliefs and dis-beliefs. Why do you insist on being so mean? You don't see those of us who beleive in God bashing you on stupid websites with ignorant quotes and ugly phrases. Frankly, it pisses me off; not only as believer in God but as a citizen of The United States of America.
THIS NATION WAS BASED ON GOD! YOU SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE RESPECT FOR THOSE OF US WHO STILL BELIEVE!!!!
(There Is / Mai 1st, 2007 - 07:23 pm)
4d-don said:
When I told my sons there was no Santa Claus, I was being kind and responsible, not mean. The Biblical God (a word taken from the Gothic Empire of the 4th century) of the Jewish Bible (called Yahweh or Elohim) is not the ONE of Spirituality (nor the Singularity of Science) The God of the Bible has an "outside" of itself where there is an "absence" of ITSELF and where EVIL exists, so is Dual (God and Satan).
Monotheism means ONE, not TWO.
The Country (land) of USA, that was stolen from the many Nations that lived there before is not based on the Biblical GOD but on the ONE (Great Spirit, with no gender and certainly not a MALE only God)
We are all ONE (as Spirit or as Energy or as Forces) but we are not necessarily believers in biblical fantasies written by an "elitist" and "dung-eating" nomadic (shamans) of past centuries.
We should all find our own historical roots and respect our own elders and our own "myths" rather than believing the myths of a "chosen" tribe that is constantly at war with its neighbours. Stop religion and you stop most wars.
As krishnamurti said:
"Faith invariably breeds violence"... I can tell by the love "emanating" from Relgious People that Faith leads to LOVE...NOT!!
(4d-don / May 6, 2007 - 08:38 pm)
Later comment
keetsmitty said:
I find it most refreshing to read your thoughts on atheism. I am definitely of the opinion you speak a lot of truth.
(keetsmitty / Mai 7, 2007 - 09:51 am)
There is said:
You have no idea what you are talking about, people. Here I am trying to write a school paper on freedom of religion and you guys are practicly BASHING God and all Godly things. It is rude and disgusting that any person could be so arrogant about there beliefs and dis-beliefs. Why do you insist on being so mean? You don't see those of us who beleive in God bashing you on stupid websites with ignorant quotes and ugly phrases. Frankly, it pisses me off; not only as believer in God but as a citizen of The United States of America.
THIS NATION WAS BASED ON GOD! YOU SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE RESPECT FOR THOSE OF US WHO STILL BELIEVE!!!!
(There Is / Mai 1st, 2007 - 07:23 pm)
4d-don said:
When I told my sons there was no Santa Claus, I was being kind and responsible, not mean. The Biblical God (a word taken from the Gothic Empire of the 4th century) of the Jewish Bible (called Yahweh or Elohim) is not the ONE of Spirituality (nor the Singularity of Science) The God of the Bible has an "outside" of itself where there is an "absence" of ITSELF and where EVIL exists, so is Dual (God and Satan).
Monotheism means ONE, not TWO.
The Country (land) of USA, that was stolen from the many Nations that lived there before is not based on the Biblical GOD but on the ONE (Great Spirit, with no gender and certainly not a MALE only God)
We are all ONE (as Spirit or as Energy or as Forces) but we are not necessarily believers in biblical fantasies written by an "elitist" and "dung-eating" nomadic (shamans) of past centuries.
We should all find our own historical roots and respect our own elders and our own "myths" rather than believing the myths of a "chosen" tribe that is constantly at war with its neighbours. Stop religion and you stop most wars.
As krishnamurti said:
"Faith invariably breeds violence"... I can tell by the love "emanating" from Relgious People that Faith leads to LOVE...NOT!!
(4d-don / May 6, 2007 - 08:38 pm)
Later comment
keetsmitty said:
I find it most refreshing to read your thoughts on atheism. I am definitely of the opinion you speak a lot of truth.
(keetsmitty / Mai 7, 2007 - 09:51 am)
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