From the Atheism, Capital Man, "Visitor's book" at http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Chris said:
someone asked for a joke about atheism that would make him/her laugh...
The truth is there isn't one...
Atheism is nothing to joke about... more over, you should cry... cause it's a sad belief that you will one day go to sleep only to remain that way...
To me, that's not something worth my thought...
maybe it works for some... its just not for me...
life is too hard to go through without the Big Guy upstairs... lol
(Chris... / April 28, 2008 - 07:21 am)
4d-Don said:
Theism and Atheism and LIFE in general are all something to "joke" about, and the REAL TRUTH is that there are many jokes about Theism, Religion, the ONE and ONLY (what some call God), and yes, about Atheism too. If not, we thinkers can make one up. Theists are very cavalier with the word "TRUTH"...
Theists (Judaeo-Christians) seem to want the atheists and all who don't believe in the MALE GOD of Abraham, like them, to "cry", and be sad and be "damned", and think that all who don't believe in the GOD of Abraham, a MALE tribal GOD, or are Atheists, who in REAL TRUTH, don't believe in a PERSONAL GOD at all, all think ONE WAY and are all the SAME...LOST for ETERNITY!
Judge the ACTIONS, not the BELIEF! There are many BAD Christians (immoral, unethical, sinners?), and many good (moral and ethical) ATHEISTS!
Atheists are not necessarily all MATERIALISTS who think that Matter is all there is to LIFE. Some Atheists believe in SOMETHING beyond MATTER! There is a difference between FAITH, TRUTH and BELIEF!
The "theists" who simply swallow the thoughts (fantasies and creations) of nationalist "MISFITS", (camel dung eaters) of centuries ago, and don't think any further, as they seem unable to, want their children to "think for themselves" and not follow the CROWD.
The UNI-VERSE is ONE...IF there are many-verses, then we can say that the MULTIVERSE is ONE or UNITED...IF there is a FIRST CAUSE (CREATOR), we can also say that IT IS ONE and IT is not MALE ( not a "Big GUY")...but can be said to BE ALL and also, be the cause of ALL!
And there are many JOKES about IT too...
You gotta laugh because it's not funny!
(4d-don / April 29, 2008 - 08:46 pm)
Thursday, May 1, 2008
Thursday, March 27, 2008
Find Jesus or the Trinity - Not the ONE (God)
Taken from the site: ATHEISM, THE CAPITAL MAN
Betsy Said:
I honestly am just praying that you find Jesus in some way in your life. He fuels my love and pushes me every day to give more love than I thought possible to everyone around me. I hope you can discover this love.
(Betsy / February 7, 2008 - 04:46)
4d-Don Said:
Having felt and hence, discovered love from my birth, and also understood it, and its effects, from my youth. I now also see it in ONE (what some call GOD) and ALL (the CREATED), and not only in the Religious, specially not only in the "chosen" adepts of such religions as Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and Jews..
I do not confuse the ONE, the UNITY with a PERSON, specially not a PERSON placed as "the second person in a "tri-une GOD" by the decree of a murderous ROMAN EMPEROR, in the early centuries of the "Jesus MOVEMENT". Rome and Constantine took over CHRISTIANITY and it became the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!! Not a testament of LOVE, this HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!!
ONE person does not "FUEL" love in others, but the MESSAGE, the WORDS that are written and attributed to a person, and then read can, and sometimes does stimulate a LOVING disposition, that is then fueled by the individual if LOVE is what that person wants and if the FUEL is available in that person. Some psychopaths cannot love no matter how much love one "PRAYS" at it.
Some religions then call that condition the effects of a "DEMON"!!
The directed actions of a person can also help stimulate, not fuel, love in others. That is a testament to the BRAIN and to the MIND to recognize the "cumulative" properties of LOVE. It is also a testament to one of the properties of our CARBON body to imprint into our genes, the cumulative knowledge of past generation. It speaks to the LOVE (or "EFFICACY") of the ONE, or of the UNITY, of the ALL, of the SYSTEM, rather than to the LOVE OF A MAN (mythic or real) who lived thousands of years ago... That is not LOGICAL as JOHN (the beloved disciple) would probably say.
Remember Moses and "I am "THAT" I am"... NOT "WHO"! NOT A PERSON!!
All prayers are good as they show "intention", but it is for "oneself" that one prays. If it affects the "target" of the prayer, it is minimal at best but is appreciated as a good thought for the PRAY-er and a good "fuzzy feeling" for the PRAY-ee...
May ALL realize that LOVE is fueled by various sources for various people, but mostly, love is fueled by "ONE-self" as a survival mechanism for the individual, his/her family, his/her clan, his/her tribe, and his/her species.
MAY WE ALL FIND MORE LOVE! NOT MORE RELIGION!!
(4d-don / February 9, 2008 - 00:15)
Betsy Said:
I honestly am just praying that you find Jesus in some way in your life. He fuels my love and pushes me every day to give more love than I thought possible to everyone around me. I hope you can discover this love.
(Betsy / February 7, 2008 - 04:46)
4d-Don Said:
Having felt and hence, discovered love from my birth, and also understood it, and its effects, from my youth. I now also see it in ONE (what some call GOD) and ALL (the CREATED), and not only in the Religious, specially not only in the "chosen" adepts of such religions as Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and Jews..
I do not confuse the ONE, the UNITY with a PERSON, specially not a PERSON placed as "the second person in a "tri-une GOD" by the decree of a murderous ROMAN EMPEROR, in the early centuries of the "Jesus MOVEMENT". Rome and Constantine took over CHRISTIANITY and it became the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!! Not a testament of LOVE, this HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!!
ONE person does not "FUEL" love in others, but the MESSAGE, the WORDS that are written and attributed to a person, and then read can, and sometimes does stimulate a LOVING disposition, that is then fueled by the individual if LOVE is what that person wants and if the FUEL is available in that person. Some psychopaths cannot love no matter how much love one "PRAYS" at it.
Some religions then call that condition the effects of a "DEMON"!!
The directed actions of a person can also help stimulate, not fuel, love in others. That is a testament to the BRAIN and to the MIND to recognize the "cumulative" properties of LOVE. It is also a testament to one of the properties of our CARBON body to imprint into our genes, the cumulative knowledge of past generation. It speaks to the LOVE (or "EFFICACY") of the ONE, or of the UNITY, of the ALL, of the SYSTEM, rather than to the LOVE OF A MAN (mythic or real) who lived thousands of years ago... That is not LOGICAL as JOHN (the beloved disciple) would probably say.
Remember Moses and "I am "THAT" I am"... NOT "WHO"! NOT A PERSON!!
All prayers are good as they show "intention", but it is for "oneself" that one prays. If it affects the "target" of the prayer, it is minimal at best but is appreciated as a good thought for the PRAY-er and a good "fuzzy feeling" for the PRAY-ee...
May ALL realize that LOVE is fueled by various sources for various people, but mostly, love is fueled by "ONE-self" as a survival mechanism for the individual, his/her family, his/her clan, his/her tribe, and his/her species.
MAY WE ALL FIND MORE LOVE! NOT MORE RELIGION!!
(4d-don / February 9, 2008 - 00:15)
Monday, January 28, 2008
The Hard Dead Heart (seat of the soul)
Sarah Said:
I actually cried when I saw this site. I was looking for a picture for my bible essay, and this site popped up. Unfortunately, I clicked on it. You need to seriously consider why you have this hate in your life for Jesus. If only your hard, dead heart felt what mine did when i hear the name JESUS. No shudders, just complete happiness.
(Sarah / January 28, 2008 - 03:14 am)
4d-don Said:
Children feel "Happiness" when Santa Claus, fairies, elves, and all magic, are mentionned. That does not mean that the commercial version of Coca Cola's (from Cocaine) Santa Claus exists.
Those who project hate at those who don't agree with them as if WE hated, create that hatred in their own minds using the energy in the "logic" of our words (LOGOS). Rather than LOVING the sinner and talking about the alleged sin, some (fewer and fewer) attack the person rather than discussing the MESSAGE, because they cannot do otherwise. Their theological message is flawed and a fantasy (Roman?, German?)...GOD, or ONE, is not and cannot be a MALE PERSON or any point or place in SPACE. IT ain't logical or LOGOS or in agreement with Moses or the early JEWS!!
I personally love Jesus, or more accurately, his MESSAGE of love, and (I tolerate) ALL people, even if he and others which I sometimes refer to may simply be MYTHs.
Has anyone ever wondered why there are no dates on all the letters, epistles, gospels, writings called "PROOF" of the existence of Jesus? God apparently passed on Earth and no one of his following recorded the dates of the events in "HIS" life? Then they call HIM "LORD". Why did he not write himself? Could he? Does his message have other earlier sources? (some claim that even the "sermon on the mount" is a re-hash of a series of old Egyptian aphorisms. Was Jesus original? Why did the TRINITY, making Jesus a "God", only begin to exist after Constantine, the Roman Emperor? Why do the Christians not call ONE (God) by the same name as the Jews, as Jesus and the apostles probably did? (Yahweh, LOGOS, Elohim) Why call what the Jews probably called "I am THAT I am" (Moses) or Yahweh ("IT that has no name, no form, etc.."), by the Germanic words GOD (Goth), the FATHER or even the lowly, LORD? Why is there a gender in the Christian ONE? Even Angels (myths?) have no gender, being spirits. That is not Jewish or Greek of the time but of a few centuries after the death of Jesus of Nazareth, called the Christ (Messiah)?
No answers to the questions, just attacks on the messenger? Is that not typical "RELIGIOUS" modus operandi?... At least in western Christianity, we have removed enough secular power from the religions (Christianity) so they can't kill us anymore in the name of their gothic (German) God. The other Religions such as the Muslims et al, of the descendants of Abrahan have to re-form so as to remove the power to kill from the hands of the so-call "religious" so that we the citizens, the PEOPLE can begin the dialogue that must take place as we reach what Michio Kaku, physicist, calls: "CIVILIZATION ONE", the GLOBAL SOCIETY!!
Apparently, one can OFFER one's hatred (sins) to JESUS so he can wash one's sins away and then atone (become at- one) with the sinner (apparently all of US). One should not push one's hatred on one's fellow pilgrim on this rugged road of LIFE...
JESUS WOULD NOT DO THAT!!
HOW LOVING!! See how they LOVE?
My heart, the pump for blood, is as soft and alive as everyone else's, even as the CHRISTIANS. That is another metaphor that is falsely taken "literally" by the "faith-based" belief systems. The heart is a PUMP, not the seat of our connection to the other world.
We are connected to ALL and are ONE with ALL everywhere and everywhen!! That is science, not religion!! There is not a greater connection at the heart than at the brain, or at the lowly rectum!! We are connected, and can't get out of ONE, the UNITY!!! What some call GOD!!
As JESUS, one can cry about hatred (probably as it is in one's own self) and cleanse oneself of it!!
4d-don
I actually cried when I saw this site. I was looking for a picture for my bible essay, and this site popped up. Unfortunately, I clicked on it. You need to seriously consider why you have this hate in your life for Jesus. If only your hard, dead heart felt what mine did when i hear the name JESUS. No shudders, just complete happiness.
(Sarah / January 28, 2008 - 03:14 am)
4d-don Said:
Children feel "Happiness" when Santa Claus, fairies, elves, and all magic, are mentionned. That does not mean that the commercial version of Coca Cola's (from Cocaine) Santa Claus exists.
Those who project hate at those who don't agree with them as if WE hated, create that hatred in their own minds using the energy in the "logic" of our words (LOGOS). Rather than LOVING the sinner and talking about the alleged sin, some (fewer and fewer) attack the person rather than discussing the MESSAGE, because they cannot do otherwise. Their theological message is flawed and a fantasy (Roman?, German?)...GOD, or ONE, is not and cannot be a MALE PERSON or any point or place in SPACE. IT ain't logical or LOGOS or in agreement with Moses or the early JEWS!!
I personally love Jesus, or more accurately, his MESSAGE of love, and (I tolerate) ALL people, even if he and others which I sometimes refer to may simply be MYTHs.
Has anyone ever wondered why there are no dates on all the letters, epistles, gospels, writings called "PROOF" of the existence of Jesus? God apparently passed on Earth and no one of his following recorded the dates of the events in "HIS" life? Then they call HIM "LORD". Why did he not write himself? Could he? Does his message have other earlier sources? (some claim that even the "sermon on the mount" is a re-hash of a series of old Egyptian aphorisms. Was Jesus original? Why did the TRINITY, making Jesus a "God", only begin to exist after Constantine, the Roman Emperor? Why do the Christians not call ONE (God) by the same name as the Jews, as Jesus and the apostles probably did? (Yahweh, LOGOS, Elohim) Why call what the Jews probably called "I am THAT I am" (Moses) or Yahweh ("IT that has no name, no form, etc.."), by the Germanic words GOD (Goth), the FATHER or even the lowly, LORD? Why is there a gender in the Christian ONE? Even Angels (myths?) have no gender, being spirits. That is not Jewish or Greek of the time but of a few centuries after the death of Jesus of Nazareth, called the Christ (Messiah)?
No answers to the questions, just attacks on the messenger? Is that not typical "RELIGIOUS" modus operandi?... At least in western Christianity, we have removed enough secular power from the religions (Christianity) so they can't kill us anymore in the name of their gothic (German) God. The other Religions such as the Muslims et al, of the descendants of Abrahan have to re-form so as to remove the power to kill from the hands of the so-call "religious" so that we the citizens, the PEOPLE can begin the dialogue that must take place as we reach what Michio Kaku, physicist, calls: "CIVILIZATION ONE", the GLOBAL SOCIETY!!
Apparently, one can OFFER one's hatred (sins) to JESUS so he can wash one's sins away and then atone (become at- one) with the sinner (apparently all of US). One should not push one's hatred on one's fellow pilgrim on this rugged road of LIFE...
JESUS WOULD NOT DO THAT!!
HOW LOVING!! See how they LOVE?
My heart, the pump for blood, is as soft and alive as everyone else's, even as the CHRISTIANS. That is another metaphor that is falsely taken "literally" by the "faith-based" belief systems. The heart is a PUMP, not the seat of our connection to the other world.
We are connected to ALL and are ONE with ALL everywhere and everywhen!! That is science, not religion!! There is not a greater connection at the heart than at the brain, or at the lowly rectum!! We are connected, and can't get out of ONE, the UNITY!!! What some call GOD!!
As JESUS, one can cry about hatred (probably as it is in one's own self) and cleanse oneself of it!!
4d-don
Monday, January 21, 2008
The Fool and the Wise
Taken from the Atheism, the Capital Man http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
LEN said:
The fool in his heart says "there is no God".
(len / 20/01/08 - 14:11)
4d-don said:
The Wise "PERSON" in his/her heart says: "I don't know what CREATED the ALL" But the Fool, reading bad translations of the writings of questionable characters who lived thousands of years ago and wrote in a "living" language, into the rigid and static "Germanic" languages, blindly accepts and repeats.
They even add "willy-nilly": "GOD said" (NOT TRUE..no one was there): "Let there be LIGHT", or, "In the beginning was the WORD" (from the greek "LOGOS"), rather than giving the "LOGOS "the original philosohipical meaning of "LOGIC as defined by Sound using WORDS". It is just a Gothic or GERMANIC RIGID translation for a SPIRITUAL or abstract intellectual concept.
In the French Christian Bible, this same line is translated as: "In the beginning was the VERB"... or the ACTION...Much more "living", dynamic and Romantic!
If there is a ONE or a UNITY, it is not represented in my life by the Gothic or Germanic personal "GOD" of the Mono-THEISTS but is more in agreement with the: "I AM THAT I AM" of Moses, or the "NOT THIS ,NOT THAT", of Buddhism, or the YAHWEH ("IT" that has no name, no form, etc..) of the JEWS. (Notice the statement of the ONE, the UNITY, as claimed by Moses is not: "I am WHO I am). "THAT" represents a "thing", a genderless spirit (rarified energy), or a "PRINCIPLE" or a LAW...or a science and is LOGICAL. The ONE, the UNITY of ALL, is LOGICAL and can be discussed by our "SCIENCE"...
The Gothic (Germanic) "GOD" is personified tribal EMOTIONALISM of the past, and is presented as a FAITH-BASED Mystery to be accepted blindly, taking away all LOGIC and placing LOGIC as "not to be trusted", and as the TOOL of the DEVIL or SATAN. Another polarizing and DIVIDING MYTH created by the RELIGIOUS manipulators of the Middle East or the Mediterranean area, the desert tribes, descendants of Abraham!!
Even the "GOD" of the "Deist" (for Deus, latin for GOD The CREATOR or the ORIGINATOR) is not involved in the day-to day working of IT' s (not a MALE) UNIVERSE and does not answer prayers and favour one of it's units of creation and hate another unit of it's creation. Such logic is more in agreement with the atheist's "NO GOD" stand, than with the Mono-THEIST's tribal "PERSONAL" fantasy.
Oh yes! And only THEY can save us from the DEVIL...And only THEY get to HEAVEN, a reward not gauged on GOOD deeds or a GOOD life but on wether one "confessed" one's sins before dying or believed in "THEIR" GOD who is now a TRINITY, Jesus, a man, having been place as the second person in that TRINITY by Constantine, ( the Roman Emperor, so as to become a Christian and thus, escape the effects of his sins) This the PAGANS did not accept. It's a system for "SINNERS" or "Johhny-do-wrongs" who want to sin till the end, claiming to be doing the "will of GOD"!
IN THE REAL UNIVERSE, there is apparently a just Law of "action and reaction", another faith-based belief when applied to "re-incarnation".
Wether PEOPLE or personalities, are subject to that LAW and carry the effects of their deeds in their spirit (rarified energy field) and then in their genes to the next "re-birth" is still in question!
NO PROOF YET!! JUST ANECDOTES...Let's not be fooled again by the religious myths of other cultures who INVADE our shores...
Don...
LEN said:
The fool in his heart says "there is no God".
(len / 20/01/08 - 14:11)
4d-don said:
The Wise "PERSON" in his/her heart says: "I don't know what CREATED the ALL" But the Fool, reading bad translations of the writings of questionable characters who lived thousands of years ago and wrote in a "living" language, into the rigid and static "Germanic" languages, blindly accepts and repeats.
They even add "willy-nilly": "GOD said" (NOT TRUE..no one was there): "Let there be LIGHT", or, "In the beginning was the WORD" (from the greek "LOGOS"), rather than giving the "LOGOS "the original philosohipical meaning of "LOGIC as defined by Sound using WORDS". It is just a Gothic or GERMANIC RIGID translation for a SPIRITUAL or abstract intellectual concept.
In the French Christian Bible, this same line is translated as: "In the beginning was the VERB"... or the ACTION...Much more "living", dynamic and Romantic!
If there is a ONE or a UNITY, it is not represented in my life by the Gothic or Germanic personal "GOD" of the Mono-THEISTS but is more in agreement with the: "I AM THAT I AM" of Moses, or the "NOT THIS ,NOT THAT", of Buddhism, or the YAHWEH ("IT" that has no name, no form, etc..) of the JEWS. (Notice the statement of the ONE, the UNITY, as claimed by Moses is not: "I am WHO I am). "THAT" represents a "thing", a genderless spirit (rarified energy), or a "PRINCIPLE" or a LAW...or a science and is LOGICAL. The ONE, the UNITY of ALL, is LOGICAL and can be discussed by our "SCIENCE"...
The Gothic (Germanic) "GOD" is personified tribal EMOTIONALISM of the past, and is presented as a FAITH-BASED Mystery to be accepted blindly, taking away all LOGIC and placing LOGIC as "not to be trusted", and as the TOOL of the DEVIL or SATAN. Another polarizing and DIVIDING MYTH created by the RELIGIOUS manipulators of the Middle East or the Mediterranean area, the desert tribes, descendants of Abraham!!
Even the "GOD" of the "Deist" (for Deus, latin for GOD The CREATOR or the ORIGINATOR) is not involved in the day-to day working of IT' s (not a MALE) UNIVERSE and does not answer prayers and favour one of it's units of creation and hate another unit of it's creation. Such logic is more in agreement with the atheist's "NO GOD" stand, than with the Mono-THEIST's tribal "PERSONAL" fantasy.
Oh yes! And only THEY can save us from the DEVIL...And only THEY get to HEAVEN, a reward not gauged on GOOD deeds or a GOOD life but on wether one "confessed" one's sins before dying or believed in "THEIR" GOD who is now a TRINITY, Jesus, a man, having been place as the second person in that TRINITY by Constantine, ( the Roman Emperor, so as to become a Christian and thus, escape the effects of his sins) This the PAGANS did not accept. It's a system for "SINNERS" or "Johhny-do-wrongs" who want to sin till the end, claiming to be doing the "will of GOD"!
IN THE REAL UNIVERSE, there is apparently a just Law of "action and reaction", another faith-based belief when applied to "re-incarnation".
Wether PEOPLE or personalities, are subject to that LAW and carry the effects of their deeds in their spirit (rarified energy field) and then in their genes to the next "re-birth" is still in question!
NO PROOF YET!! JUST ANECDOTES...Let's not be fooled again by the religious myths of other cultures who INVADE our shores...
Don...
Wednesday, January 16, 2008
Thank God I Found This Site
This was on the Atheist site called: Atheism, The Capital Man
I thought is was so funny that I replied to it even thought the comment was in the "guest book" comments section and not a "chat line"
Skepticist Said:
Thank God I found this site. Sorry about that verbal slip. Marx put it best: religion is the opiate of the masses. Today television is a close second. Nice to be here. Tanks!
(skepticist / 14/01/08 - 05:56)
4d-don Said:
"Thank God I found this site."
That's priceless! lol ;-))
Is there a comedian out there? A spiritual/humanist satirist? The title of this site: "The CAPITAL Man" also has some satire or "other forms of communication" potential."
The "slip" certainly works on "polarity" and draws the "Poles of opposites (theist/atheist) closer together through the logical/illogical expression of an emotion (relief) or a "verbal slip"...or is it a "slip" at all? Are there MISTAKES in GOD? or in the UNIVERSE?. Were we meant to come here to this site? It has a dis-armingly beautiful symetry!
Luck is but a law un-recognized!! So is destiny.
Still many missing links in logic as well as in genetics, and as well as in the "GOD and Creation" theories...Re-incarnation is an attempt to explain "suffering" and “luck or talent” in one lifetime, with deeds, sinful/virtuous in another past lifetime or across TIME and/or from energy (spiritual) to genetics, but it soon drifts into "elitism" with the elite defining the process rather than the ALL that is "consciousness". All points of consciousness hold a part of the "answer". No one point or series of points holds all the ANSWER, all the TIME...there is an "uncertainty" principle at work here also. The UNIVERSE loves DIVERSITY and DYNAMISM or CHANGE and TRANSFORMATION!
Laughter is GOLDEN!! ;-))
Let's see how soon this "meme" that inavertently crept into our "WORLD" creates reflections and how soon we hear it spoken or see it written "elsewhere"? Is it a conspiracy? The Aquarian Conspiracy in REALITY...
It's MAGIC, MAN!!
I thought is was so funny that I replied to it even thought the comment was in the "guest book" comments section and not a "chat line"
Skepticist Said:
Thank God I found this site. Sorry about that verbal slip. Marx put it best: religion is the opiate of the masses. Today television is a close second. Nice to be here. Tanks!
(skepticist / 14/01/08 - 05:56)
4d-don Said:
"Thank God I found this site."
That's priceless! lol ;-))
Is there a comedian out there? A spiritual/humanist satirist? The title of this site: "The CAPITAL Man" also has some satire or "other forms of communication" potential."
The "slip" certainly works on "polarity" and draws the "Poles of opposites (theist/atheist) closer together through the logical/illogical expression of an emotion (relief) or a "verbal slip"...or is it a "slip" at all? Are there MISTAKES in GOD? or in the UNIVERSE?. Were we meant to come here to this site? It has a dis-armingly beautiful symetry!
Luck is but a law un-recognized!! So is destiny.
Still many missing links in logic as well as in genetics, and as well as in the "GOD and Creation" theories...Re-incarnation is an attempt to explain "suffering" and “luck or talent” in one lifetime, with deeds, sinful/virtuous in another past lifetime or across TIME and/or from energy (spiritual) to genetics, but it soon drifts into "elitism" with the elite defining the process rather than the ALL that is "consciousness". All points of consciousness hold a part of the "answer". No one point or series of points holds all the ANSWER, all the TIME...there is an "uncertainty" principle at work here also. The UNIVERSE loves DIVERSITY and DYNAMISM or CHANGE and TRANSFORMATION!
Laughter is GOLDEN!! ;-))
Let's see how soon this "meme" that inavertently crept into our "WORLD" creates reflections and how soon we hear it spoken or see it written "elsewhere"? Is it a conspiracy? The Aquarian Conspiracy in REALITY...
It's MAGIC, MAN!!
Thursday, December 6, 2007
Infinity and Eternity to a Theist, a Deist and an Atheist
Infinity and Eternity to a Theist, a Deist and an Atheist...
Since we are already above our heads, the "conditional" "tense" is the one to use so as to avoid any dogmatism.
The mathematical "Infinity" can have a beginning but no end. The religious and philosophical "Eternity" has no beginning and no end, and is commonly thought of as "existence outside of Time". Although MOTION (measured by the tape measure called TIME) and MATTER (measured in METERS) (aka: the physical or crystal Universe), have a beginning according to religious scriptures, but no end as yet, MATTER and the "measuring tape" of MOTION that is "TIME", could be infinite. MOTION and SPACE on the other hand, could be Eternal and not need a "first cause" and be a product of geometry. A ball near the top of a hill does not need a "pusher" to get it started. The Eternal ONE, the UNITY (a principle, not a person), could be eternal perfection or perfect geometry "in MOTION" and could create the physical Universe from and of MOTION. The hill mentioned above could be described as a tendency or potentiality towards ONE or UNITY using "attractive gravity", complemented by a state I call "the Many" or "diversity "(as we see REALITY today), or the ALL (to bring in a concept of UNITY or ONE) using a "repulsive gravity", thus making gravity a real "FORCE" with an attractive and a repulsive state.
The quantum soup at the small end of the quantum theory could also be present and at work at the cosmic "multiverse" level, and our space (Universe) would constantly be merging with other smaller or larger Universes, as in a boiling pot of water where one bubble (universe) swallows another smaller bubble and becomes larger without the process destroying the smaller bubble but giving it more SPACE or a larger and longer "existence". (see the Kybalion published by the Yogi Publication Society at the Masonic Temple, Chicago, Ill. USA (1912) : "as below, the same above")
A theist, being generally "monotheistic" these days, believes in ONE (what some call GOD), Who (a person not the "I AM THAT I AM" of Moses in the Judeo-Christian Bible) is sometimes divided in two (Duality), or three-(Trinity) aspects, and HE is involved in the daily workings of His (male) Universe. HE (male) answers prayers and favours some of his "children" with blessings (luck and victories) and others with trials (sufferings, bad luck, and defeats). HE (male) has emotions, gets angry, is pleased and please-able by his creation, etc... The theist believes in that God as being ETERNAL, and having "no beginning and no end" unlike "HIS" (male) Universe which has a "beginning" and is hence a "CREATION" of that monotheist Deity (Deus) called GOD by the Germanic tribes of old, and their modern descendants.
But in many monotheistic (Christian) prayers that end with: "world without end, Amen!", that "world" that was created at a point in Space and TIME (or at ALL SPACETIMES at once), by ONE (the involved GOD) so must have a beginning, we are now told, has "no end". That Space/Time, and the energy/matter in the Universe have no end is generally accepted by theists, deists and atheists alike, and we can safely say that all can be said to be "infinite". But "eternal"? Not necessarily.
The "theistic" belief system is supported, theists claim, by the "theory" of the BIG BANG in cosmology, the Big Bang being a representation of the scriptural "Creation". From NO-THING, magically appears SOME-THING created by the commands of this "GODMAN" person or Spirit called Yahweh/Elohim, and later Deus (Roman - latin), and God (Goth-Germanic-English). This (the Big Bang) is called a "scientific" theory and it can explain some aspects of the data collected about the cosmic physical Universe but not the "Beginning" of this Universe.
But the theist's Universe that has "no end" and is therefore "endless", but was created by "GOD" and hence has a "beginning", can not truly be called an "ETERNAL" world but it can be more accurately called an "infinite" world. An Eternal world or UNIVERSE would have "no beginning (so no creation) AND no end". The theist's ONE (GOD) can be "eternal" but HIS (MALE) Creations: the universe, heaven, hell, purgatory, limbo, etc. having a scriptural beginning (creation) but no end, are more accurately called "infinite", not "eternal".
For the theists to quote apocalyptic scriptures and to use the fear mechanism of "the end of the world" with its "rapture" for the "favoured", and the damnation of "hell for eternity" for the rejected, does not compute rationally, not to question the "justice" of such an "eternal reward" and/or an "eternal punishment". To claim to know the time of such cosmic destruction of "EVERYTHING" from Scriptures and/revelation is fantasy that borders on megalomania and "psychosis". The Universe, as we have seen, can not be called ETERNAL according to religious scriptures but now, HEAVEN and HELL are supposed to be (eternal) according to some other Holy Scriptures (Judeo-Christian). But heaven and hell must have a beginning and must have been, at some past time, the creations of that same ONE (the involved GOD) and hence must, at most, be "infinite", and not "ETERNAL". Anything that has a beginning but has no end is not called ETERNAL but "infinite". One can say that heaven and hell go on for "infinity". To be eternal, they would have to have existed before the creations of the ONE (what some call GOD), before the "sins" were committed by IT's CREATURES. What came first, the theist's ONE (God) with HIS favoured: virtue/sin, or HIS punishement: heaven/hell?
To a Deist, ONE is not involved in the working of ITS (Neuter) Universe and is more a principle, a process or a LAW. Being a process, IT can TRANS-FORM ITSELF from Spirit form, to mental form, to energy form, and even to plasma, gas, liquid, and crystaline form (the material world) and can BE the UNIVERSE, and not just be the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE. The Deist ONE CAN BE the UNIVERSAL process that forms the UNI-VERSE through MOTION (trans-formation of ITSELF). ("uni=one "verse"-as in a song or a poem) . To a Deist, the cosmological Multiverse theory and/or the absence of a "Singularity" or a "BIG BANG" does not pose a "theological" problem.
Both Infinity and Eternity are commonly thought of as "endless" by all.
The DEIST (from latin:Deus-God uninvolved, as in a PRINCIPLE) at this stage of the discussion, is more adaptable than the THEIST (greek: Theos-God as a PERSON, directly involved), and is almost as rational as an ATHEIST.
Is there such a thing as an "a-Deist" out there opposing Deism? I don't think so! There is no "need"!
It is the "THEIST", or THEISM that needs a RE-FORMATION and a REALITY check! It's TIME to take off the "rose-colored" glasses and check out the "MAGIC" and "FANTASY" in all belief systems before they bring about and make a reality of their divisiveness to the point of demonizing and attacking and even destruction (war) of their detracters, or their self-fulfilling prophesy of the "end of the World"...which is another fantasy that they could make happen since the advent of the nuclear age!
The "BORN AGAIN" (read: FUNDAMENTALIST or LITERALIST) need to be "FORMED AGAIN"!
If there is such a thing as a rarified state of matter/energy beyond "mental" or "intellectual" energy, called "SPIRIT", then "we" are IT also, and hence, "we" have the Spirituality, and obviously the refined "intellect", as the Theist relies on "FAITH", and has rejected or suspended intellect. If there is a "trans-formation" or a "re-formation" to be had we the "non-believers", the "outsiders", or the "damned" as the RELIGIOUS call us, or as I call us, the "true believers in REALITY", can help make it happen...We can do it!
Just expose and question! Don't accept Fantasy, Magic or Mystery as THE Answer! TRUE REALITY IS MAGICAL ENOUGH! WE ARE THE INFONAUTS! LOGIC is our TOOL. ONE or UNITY IS SIMPLE! SO IS ETERNAL SPACEMOTION!
As Jean-Luc Picard of the Star Ship Enterprise (a fantasy) said: MAKE IT SO!
or AMEN! ;-))
My imaging of the concept of the 2 sides of the 2 dimensional LOGOS (logic) PYRAMID: (in latin)
In excelsis, ex Uno Pluria
(In the highest, from ONE, many)
In excelsis, e pluribus Unuum
(In the highest, from many, ONE)
The theist would say:
In excelsis Deo!
In other words: DON'T THINK! Just Believe what we say! or be Damned!
I placed the words above in a "Christmas song" called "The Bells Of Christmas Day".
THE BELLS OF CHRISTMAS DAY
By 4d-Don (SOCAN)
Key of E (Capo 2....Play D) in 4/4 Time-Folk
(Notes inside Brackets are walking base runs-a 3-note intro base run starting on an D-E-F# note capoed at 2nd fret. Starting note and chord is D(A)
D(A) D(G) D(F#) D(E) G(D) G(F#) A7(E) A7(A) A-B-C#
I hear the bells of Christmas day
D(D) A7(E) Bm(F#) G(D) A(F#) A(E) D(F#) D(D) D-E-F#
Although there are no stee ples around
D(A)D(G)D(F#) D(E) G(D) G(F#) A7(E) A7(A) A-B-C#
And all of na ture bids me stay
D(D) A7(E) Bm(F#) G(G) A(F#)A(E) D(D) D(D) D(D) D-E-F#
To live in har mo ny and join in the Sound
CHORUS
D D(F#) G A
Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong
D A7(E) Bm/F# G F#m(F#) A(E) D D
In ex cel sis ex u - no pluria
D D (F#) G A
Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong
D A7(E) Bm/F# G A(F#) A(E ) D D
In ex cel sis e pluri bus unum
I pray the stars light Bethleem
I pray the city lights don't burn you down
I pray the world one day unites
To live in harmony and join in the Sound
I pray for Peace in New Salem (Jerusalem)
I pray the Gods of War, don’t burn it down
I pray in Peace we all abide
And live in harmony and join in the Sound
I pray for joy throughout the year
I pray the sounds of joy don’t drown out the tears
I Pray in light we all abound
And sing in harmony and join in the Sound.
For more...see my comments on: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Since we are already above our heads, the "conditional" "tense" is the one to use so as to avoid any dogmatism.
The mathematical "Infinity" can have a beginning but no end. The religious and philosophical "Eternity" has no beginning and no end, and is commonly thought of as "existence outside of Time". Although MOTION (measured by the tape measure called TIME) and MATTER (measured in METERS) (aka: the physical or crystal Universe), have a beginning according to religious scriptures, but no end as yet, MATTER and the "measuring tape" of MOTION that is "TIME", could be infinite. MOTION and SPACE on the other hand, could be Eternal and not need a "first cause" and be a product of geometry. A ball near the top of a hill does not need a "pusher" to get it started. The Eternal ONE, the UNITY (a principle, not a person), could be eternal perfection or perfect geometry "in MOTION" and could create the physical Universe from and of MOTION. The hill mentioned above could be described as a tendency or potentiality towards ONE or UNITY using "attractive gravity", complemented by a state I call "the Many" or "diversity "(as we see REALITY today), or the ALL (to bring in a concept of UNITY or ONE) using a "repulsive gravity", thus making gravity a real "FORCE" with an attractive and a repulsive state.
The quantum soup at the small end of the quantum theory could also be present and at work at the cosmic "multiverse" level, and our space (Universe) would constantly be merging with other smaller or larger Universes, as in a boiling pot of water where one bubble (universe) swallows another smaller bubble and becomes larger without the process destroying the smaller bubble but giving it more SPACE or a larger and longer "existence". (see the Kybalion published by the Yogi Publication Society at the Masonic Temple, Chicago, Ill. USA (1912) : "as below, the same above")
A theist, being generally "monotheistic" these days, believes in ONE (what some call GOD), Who (a person not the "I AM THAT I AM" of Moses in the Judeo-Christian Bible) is sometimes divided in two (Duality), or three-(Trinity) aspects, and HE is involved in the daily workings of His (male) Universe. HE (male) answers prayers and favours some of his "children" with blessings (luck and victories) and others with trials (sufferings, bad luck, and defeats). HE (male) has emotions, gets angry, is pleased and please-able by his creation, etc... The theist believes in that God as being ETERNAL, and having "no beginning and no end" unlike "HIS" (male) Universe which has a "beginning" and is hence a "CREATION" of that monotheist Deity (Deus) called GOD by the Germanic tribes of old, and their modern descendants.
But in many monotheistic (Christian) prayers that end with: "world without end, Amen!", that "world" that was created at a point in Space and TIME (or at ALL SPACETIMES at once), by ONE (the involved GOD) so must have a beginning, we are now told, has "no end". That Space/Time, and the energy/matter in the Universe have no end is generally accepted by theists, deists and atheists alike, and we can safely say that all can be said to be "infinite". But "eternal"? Not necessarily.
The "theistic" belief system is supported, theists claim, by the "theory" of the BIG BANG in cosmology, the Big Bang being a representation of the scriptural "Creation". From NO-THING, magically appears SOME-THING created by the commands of this "GODMAN" person or Spirit called Yahweh/Elohim, and later Deus (Roman - latin), and God (Goth-Germanic-English). This (the Big Bang) is called a "scientific" theory and it can explain some aspects of the data collected about the cosmic physical Universe but not the "Beginning" of this Universe.
But the theist's Universe that has "no end" and is therefore "endless", but was created by "GOD" and hence has a "beginning", can not truly be called an "ETERNAL" world but it can be more accurately called an "infinite" world. An Eternal world or UNIVERSE would have "no beginning (so no creation) AND no end". The theist's ONE (GOD) can be "eternal" but HIS (MALE) Creations: the universe, heaven, hell, purgatory, limbo, etc. having a scriptural beginning (creation) but no end, are more accurately called "infinite", not "eternal".
For the theists to quote apocalyptic scriptures and to use the fear mechanism of "the end of the world" with its "rapture" for the "favoured", and the damnation of "hell for eternity" for the rejected, does not compute rationally, not to question the "justice" of such an "eternal reward" and/or an "eternal punishment". To claim to know the time of such cosmic destruction of "EVERYTHING" from Scriptures and/revelation is fantasy that borders on megalomania and "psychosis". The Universe, as we have seen, can not be called ETERNAL according to religious scriptures but now, HEAVEN and HELL are supposed to be (eternal) according to some other Holy Scriptures (Judeo-Christian). But heaven and hell must have a beginning and must have been, at some past time, the creations of that same ONE (the involved GOD) and hence must, at most, be "infinite", and not "ETERNAL". Anything that has a beginning but has no end is not called ETERNAL but "infinite". One can say that heaven and hell go on for "infinity". To be eternal, they would have to have existed before the creations of the ONE (what some call GOD), before the "sins" were committed by IT's CREATURES. What came first, the theist's ONE (God) with HIS favoured: virtue/sin, or HIS punishement: heaven/hell?
To a Deist, ONE is not involved in the working of ITS (Neuter) Universe and is more a principle, a process or a LAW. Being a process, IT can TRANS-FORM ITSELF from Spirit form, to mental form, to energy form, and even to plasma, gas, liquid, and crystaline form (the material world) and can BE the UNIVERSE, and not just be the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE. The Deist ONE CAN BE the UNIVERSAL process that forms the UNI-VERSE through MOTION (trans-formation of ITSELF). ("uni=one "verse"-as in a song or a poem) . To a Deist, the cosmological Multiverse theory and/or the absence of a "Singularity" or a "BIG BANG" does not pose a "theological" problem.
Both Infinity and Eternity are commonly thought of as "endless" by all.
The DEIST (from latin:Deus-God uninvolved, as in a PRINCIPLE) at this stage of the discussion, is more adaptable than the THEIST (greek: Theos-God as a PERSON, directly involved), and is almost as rational as an ATHEIST.
Is there such a thing as an "a-Deist" out there opposing Deism? I don't think so! There is no "need"!
It is the "THEIST", or THEISM that needs a RE-FORMATION and a REALITY check! It's TIME to take off the "rose-colored" glasses and check out the "MAGIC" and "FANTASY" in all belief systems before they bring about and make a reality of their divisiveness to the point of demonizing and attacking and even destruction (war) of their detracters, or their self-fulfilling prophesy of the "end of the World"...which is another fantasy that they could make happen since the advent of the nuclear age!
The "BORN AGAIN" (read: FUNDAMENTALIST or LITERALIST) need to be "FORMED AGAIN"!
If there is such a thing as a rarified state of matter/energy beyond "mental" or "intellectual" energy, called "SPIRIT", then "we" are IT also, and hence, "we" have the Spirituality, and obviously the refined "intellect", as the Theist relies on "FAITH", and has rejected or suspended intellect. If there is a "trans-formation" or a "re-formation" to be had we the "non-believers", the "outsiders", or the "damned" as the RELIGIOUS call us, or as I call us, the "true believers in REALITY", can help make it happen...We can do it!
Just expose and question! Don't accept Fantasy, Magic or Mystery as THE Answer! TRUE REALITY IS MAGICAL ENOUGH! WE ARE THE INFONAUTS! LOGIC is our TOOL. ONE or UNITY IS SIMPLE! SO IS ETERNAL SPACEMOTION!
As Jean-Luc Picard of the Star Ship Enterprise (a fantasy) said: MAKE IT SO!
or AMEN! ;-))
My imaging of the concept of the 2 sides of the 2 dimensional LOGOS (logic) PYRAMID: (in latin)
In excelsis, ex Uno Pluria
(In the highest, from ONE, many)
In excelsis, e pluribus Unuum
(In the highest, from many, ONE)
The theist would say:
In excelsis Deo!
In other words: DON'T THINK! Just Believe what we say! or be Damned!
I placed the words above in a "Christmas song" called "The Bells Of Christmas Day".
THE BELLS OF CHRISTMAS DAY
By 4d-Don (SOCAN)
Key of E (Capo 2....Play D) in 4/4 Time-Folk
(Notes inside Brackets are walking base runs-a 3-note intro base run starting on an D-E-F# note capoed at 2nd fret. Starting note and chord is D(A)
D(A) D(G) D(F#) D(E) G(D) G(F#) A7(E) A7(A) A-B-C#
I hear the bells of Christmas day
D(D) A7(E) Bm(F#) G(D) A(F#) A(E) D(F#) D(D) D-E-F#
Although there are no stee ples around
D(A)D(G)D(F#) D(E) G(D) G(F#) A7(E) A7(A) A-B-C#
And all of na ture bids me stay
D(D) A7(E) Bm(F#) G(G) A(F#)A(E) D(D) D(D) D(D) D-E-F#
To live in har mo ny and join in the Sound
CHORUS
D D(F#) G A
Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong
D A7(E) Bm/F# G F#m(F#) A(E) D D
In ex cel sis ex u - no pluria
D D (F#) G A
Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong
D A7(E) Bm/F# G A(F#) A(E ) D D
In ex cel sis e pluri bus unum
I pray the stars light Bethleem
I pray the city lights don't burn you down
I pray the world one day unites
To live in harmony and join in the Sound
I pray for Peace in New Salem (Jerusalem)
I pray the Gods of War, don’t burn it down
I pray in Peace we all abide
And live in harmony and join in the Sound
I pray for joy throughout the year
I pray the sounds of joy don’t drown out the tears
I Pray in light we all abound
And sing in harmony and join in the Sound.
For more...see my comments on: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Thursday, November 29, 2007
Theism and Deism
This is from a comment on: Atheism, the Capital Man
For those who are not familiar with the terms, a Theist (God in Greek-Theos) believes in a God who is "involved" with His creation. This is usually a Male God, often "plural, originating for the western cultures in the desert, nomadic, and later farming cultures of the Near East and Asia.
A Deist (God in Latin-Deus) believes in an intelligent Deity that is un-involved in the daily workings of "ITS" (Neuter) creation. For some, the Deity (latin-Deus) is a process, or a principle such as LOGIC (Greek-LOGOS as in Biblical John 1).
The latin, "Deus", was later translated to G-O-D or Gott by the Gothic (Germanic) Empire theologians who already had their name for the DIVINITY: Goth, Gott, and then the English G-O-D.
That is the same Gothic (Germanic) Empire that sacked Rome in the 4th century (After the Common Era (ACE)). The Goths were at that time being displaced from their homelands by the Huns of "Attila the Hun" fame. This was right after Constantine, with his Council of Nicea, had Christ placed as part of the "Trinity of The ONE (God)" as the second "person", the son of GOD, and "WHO" (a person) was there with the ONE (a number), LOGOS (logic), Yahweh/Elohim (I Am that I am....no name, no form) at the BEGINNING of TIME. This was done so Constantine could become a Christian and have his sins "forgiven" and thus avoid his "cause and effect" debt for the crimes of killing many of his family. That was a belief of the Pagans.
The folowers of Egyptian Bishop Arius (Arians-synchronistically similar to "aryans" of the later Nazis) rejected and opposed this theology at the Council of Nicea. This was seen as a corruption of the philosophical "ONE" God of Monotheism and the Duality (two) of other cultures (Zoroastrian) and into a TRINITY (three). Later the Goth would also reject this "Constantinean" theology but would later relinquish (flip-flop for political reasons?) and become "adherents" to the Nicene Creed (For Nicean Council of Constantine, Emperor of Rome)
A Deist is closer to an a-theist. A theist is closer to Magic and Fantasy.
In the Catholic Church philosophy and theology, that would be reflected in the views of Thomas Aquinas, follower of Aristotle and the Greek Atomists, versus Augustine, follower of Plato and his world view.
This is the Thomas Aquinas (supported and inspired by such philosopher as Rene Descartes (of "I think therfore I am" fame) , and Roger Bacon), who can be credited for the undermining of Church/State dictatorial control that brought about the "Protestant REFORMATION" of the Roman Catholic PYRAMID and freed the intelligentia, the scientific community, and that ushered in the Age of Reason, and the other physical revolutions, industrial revolution, the baron's revolution and the Magna Carta, French Revolution (petit bourgeois), Workers revolutions (unions) , and finally the electrical revolution, the quantum revolution, the electronics revolutions and the "information AGE"...And the INFONAUTS....
Other Theistic cultures and Theocracies also need their Reformation so as to move away from MAGIC and FANTASY to an "intelligent" and Logical ONE (number) or UNITY.
ONE (Deity) CAN'T BE A PERSON! To accept ONE or UNITY as a PROCESS or a PRINCIPLE, not a PERSON, would place the theists at the corrective decision point in the LOOP their "idols" (leaders) took centuries ago and again some many more centuries ago.
If theists (monotheists) accept FANTASY and MAGIC again, they should not expect a DIFFERENT RESULT as from the LAST TIME will they? That would define "INSANITY" would it not?
Faith (blind faith) inevitable leads to violence and even WAR!
For those who are not familiar with the terms, a Theist (God in Greek-Theos) believes in a God who is "involved" with His creation. This is usually a Male God, often "plural, originating for the western cultures in the desert, nomadic, and later farming cultures of the Near East and Asia.
A Deist (God in Latin-Deus) believes in an intelligent Deity that is un-involved in the daily workings of "ITS" (Neuter) creation. For some, the Deity (latin-Deus) is a process, or a principle such as LOGIC (Greek-LOGOS as in Biblical John 1).
The latin, "Deus", was later translated to G-O-D or Gott by the Gothic (Germanic) Empire theologians who already had their name for the DIVINITY: Goth, Gott, and then the English G-O-D.
That is the same Gothic (Germanic) Empire that sacked Rome in the 4th century (After the Common Era (ACE)). The Goths were at that time being displaced from their homelands by the Huns of "Attila the Hun" fame. This was right after Constantine, with his Council of Nicea, had Christ placed as part of the "Trinity of The ONE (God)" as the second "person", the son of GOD, and "WHO" (a person) was there with the ONE (a number), LOGOS (logic), Yahweh/Elohim (I Am that I am....no name, no form) at the BEGINNING of TIME. This was done so Constantine could become a Christian and have his sins "forgiven" and thus avoid his "cause and effect" debt for the crimes of killing many of his family. That was a belief of the Pagans.
The folowers of Egyptian Bishop Arius (Arians-synchronistically similar to "aryans" of the later Nazis) rejected and opposed this theology at the Council of Nicea. This was seen as a corruption of the philosophical "ONE" God of Monotheism and the Duality (two) of other cultures (Zoroastrian) and into a TRINITY (three). Later the Goth would also reject this "Constantinean" theology but would later relinquish (flip-flop for political reasons?) and become "adherents" to the Nicene Creed (For Nicean Council of Constantine, Emperor of Rome)
A Deist is closer to an a-theist. A theist is closer to Magic and Fantasy.
In the Catholic Church philosophy and theology, that would be reflected in the views of Thomas Aquinas, follower of Aristotle and the Greek Atomists, versus Augustine, follower of Plato and his world view.
This is the Thomas Aquinas (supported and inspired by such philosopher as Rene Descartes (of "I think therfore I am" fame) , and Roger Bacon), who can be credited for the undermining of Church/State dictatorial control that brought about the "Protestant REFORMATION" of the Roman Catholic PYRAMID and freed the intelligentia, the scientific community, and that ushered in the Age of Reason, and the other physical revolutions, industrial revolution, the baron's revolution and the Magna Carta, French Revolution (petit bourgeois), Workers revolutions (unions) , and finally the electrical revolution, the quantum revolution, the electronics revolutions and the "information AGE"...And the INFONAUTS....
Other Theistic cultures and Theocracies also need their Reformation so as to move away from MAGIC and FANTASY to an "intelligent" and Logical ONE (number) or UNITY.
ONE (Deity) CAN'T BE A PERSON! To accept ONE or UNITY as a PROCESS or a PRINCIPLE, not a PERSON, would place the theists at the corrective decision point in the LOOP their "idols" (leaders) took centuries ago and again some many more centuries ago.
If theists (monotheists) accept FANTASY and MAGIC again, they should not expect a DIFFERENT RESULT as from the LAST TIME will they? That would define "INSANITY" would it not?
Faith (blind faith) inevitable leads to violence and even WAR!
Friday, November 16, 2007
Personal THEISM Hides FEAR (of being alone )
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
For many who believe in a PERSONAL GOD (and hence a personal SATAN, LUCIFER, DEVIL), the "FEAR of Being Alone" is worse than the "fear of HELL"...IN HELL, one is "HOT" and not alone, as (apparently) MANY are the damned.
4d-don Said:
The first steps to "salvation" from the NEED for a personal GOD or THEISM, is to expose, deal with, and cure "SORROW", this loneliness, or sadness. (not the YEARNING which is POSITIVE). This Sorrow, is self-created as many (if not all) fantasies, but encouraged and guided by most RELIGIONS, through manipulation of our fear of being alone. It begins with the Proselytizer himself/herself being "afraid of being alone" and then CREATING or DISCOVERING a fantasy (anecdote, story, poem, song,) that relates or addresses that dis-ease and then presuming it in others through: generalized SCRIPTURES and other "Authorities" and then offering SALVATION from IT. And it is what the GROUP (Religions) offers.
If one is a "believer" in the first place, one, as part of the GREAT ONE (NUMBER), is "IN REALITY" never alone. It is not possible, and a fantasy, a delusion, or a false fear in itself.
The fear of DEATH, (another LORD who "comes like a thief") is the other facet of this fear of "the black hole" as opposed to the promised "HEAVEN" with the "white clouds", trickling water, green pastures, the fluffy little angels, and temperate heat, pleasant light and sound, "music", (no rhythm, ephemeral, no melody, so nothing to remember or "THINK OF"... just sounds but "NICE and SOFT")
Fantasies are nice but to believe them is ??
What's the difference between a Neurotic, a Psychotic, and a psychiatrist?
The neurotic builds castles in Spain, the Psychotic lives in them and the Psychiatrist collects the rent!!
In the case of RELIGIONS and GODS, THE PRIESTS collects the RENT for the POPES and the physical structure of RELIGION.
(4d-don / November 11, 2007 - 03:34 am)
For many who believe in a PERSONAL GOD (and hence a personal SATAN, LUCIFER, DEVIL), the "FEAR of Being Alone" is worse than the "fear of HELL"...IN HELL, one is "HOT" and not alone, as (apparently) MANY are the damned.
4d-don Said:
The first steps to "salvation" from the NEED for a personal GOD or THEISM, is to expose, deal with, and cure "SORROW", this loneliness, or sadness. (not the YEARNING which is POSITIVE). This Sorrow, is self-created as many (if not all) fantasies, but encouraged and guided by most RELIGIONS, through manipulation of our fear of being alone. It begins with the Proselytizer himself/herself being "afraid of being alone" and then CREATING or DISCOVERING a fantasy (anecdote, story, poem, song,) that relates or addresses that dis-ease and then presuming it in others through: generalized SCRIPTURES and other "Authorities" and then offering SALVATION from IT. And it is what the GROUP (Religions) offers.
If one is a "believer" in the first place, one, as part of the GREAT ONE (NUMBER), is "IN REALITY" never alone. It is not possible, and a fantasy, a delusion, or a false fear in itself.
The fear of DEATH, (another LORD who "comes like a thief") is the other facet of this fear of "the black hole" as opposed to the promised "HEAVEN" with the "white clouds", trickling water, green pastures, the fluffy little angels, and temperate heat, pleasant light and sound, "music", (no rhythm, ephemeral, no melody, so nothing to remember or "THINK OF"... just sounds but "NICE and SOFT")
Fantasies are nice but to believe them is ??
What's the difference between a Neurotic, a Psychotic, and a psychiatrist?
The neurotic builds castles in Spain, the Psychotic lives in them and the Psychiatrist collects the rent!!
In the case of RELIGIONS and GODS, THE PRIESTS collects the RENT for the POPES and the physical structure of RELIGION.
(4d-don / November 11, 2007 - 03:34 am)
Monday, November 5, 2007
Judas, The Comeback
This is from NEWSBLOG in the Guardian of
April 7, 2006 1:45 PM
(See my comment below)
Julian Borger and Stephen Bates
Friday April 7, 2006
The Guardian
After being reviled for almost 2,000 years as the embodiment of treachery, Judas Iscariot's side of the story was finally published yesterday. Thanks to a newly discovered gospel in Judas's name, we now know what his excuse was: Jesus made me do it.
April 7, 2006 1:45 PM
(See my comment below)
With the happy news that Judas, one of history's most vilified traitors, was just following orders and not such a bad guy after all, it seems as good a time as any to cast a backwards glance over some of the great rehabilitations of our time.
Judas: this is what really happenedJulian Borger and Stephen Bates
Friday April 7, 2006
The Guardian
After being reviled for almost 2,000 years as the embodiment of treachery, Judas Iscariot's side of the story was finally published yesterday. Thanks to a newly discovered gospel in Judas's name, we now know what his excuse was: Jesus made me do it.
The Gospel of Judas, a fragile clutch of a leather-bound papyrus thought to have been inscribed in about AD300, was unveiled yesterday in Washington by the National Geographic Society, and it represents a radical makeover for one of the worst reputations in history.
According to this version of events, not only was Judas obeying orders when he handed Jesus to his persecutors, he was Christ's most trusted disciple, singled out to receive mystical knowledge.According to the 26-page gospel, copied in the ancient Coptic language apparently from a Greek original more than a hundred years older, Jesus told Judas: "Step away from the others and I shall tell you the mysteries of the kingdom. It is possible for you to reach it, but you will grieve a great deal."
In the days before the fateful Passover holiday, Jesus also told Judas: "You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me." The line, according to biblical scholars, suggests that Jesus chose Judas to help him achieve his destiny by liberating him from his earthly body.
"It's a striking contrast with the negative portrayal of Judas as the quintessential traitor," said Marvin Meyer, a biblical scholar from Chapman University in California who helped translate the gospel. "The figure of Judas is often portrayed as the evil Jewish person who turned Jesus in to be killed."
It is unlikely, however, that the documents are about to trigger a total rehabilitation for the Iscariot name, with shrines in his name and readings from his gospel at church services, let alone a film treatment by Mel Gibson.
The initial reaction from Christian scholars was wary. Even if the gospel is authentic, they said, it appears to be the work of a particular 2nd-century sect, the gnostics, who had different beliefs from the mainstream church and who were long ago declared heretical.
The leading biblical scholar and translator of the dead sea scrolls, Professor Geza Vermes of Oxford University, said: "The document is of interest for the ideas of the gnostics but it almost certainly adds nothing to our understanding of what happened 150 years before it was written."
But the Gospel of Judas is bound to focus more attention on the gnostics, whose belief that they possessed secret knowledge leading to salvation resonates with new-age mysticism. Another gnostic text, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, discovered a century ago, has been given a dose of publicity lately by The Da Vinci Code.
The manuscript also serves as a reminder that the four gospels in the New Testament were not the only versions of Jesus's life in the early Christian era, according to Bart Ehrman, a religious studies professor at the University of North Carolina, at its unveiling yesterday. "In the struggle among Christian groups to win converts only one emerged victorious," he said. "It declared itself orthodox and all others heretics."
The Gospel of Judas is known to have existed before AD180, when it was denounced as heretical by Bishop Irenaeus of Lyon. But it was thought to have been lost when the gnostics were vanquished in the struggle of ideas in the early years of Christianity.
The papyrus manuscript, also known as a codex, was found in an Egyptian cave in 1978. It circulated among antiquities traders for a while before it was locked in a safe deposit box in Long Island, New York, by a collector. It was bought in 2000 by a Swiss dealer, who realised its importance and its rapidly deteriorating condition and handed it over to the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art in Basel the next year.
"The manuscript was so brittle, it would crumble at the slightest touch," said Rodolphe Kasser, a Coptic expert called in to help reconstruct it.
It has taken five years to reassemble the fragments, translate the manuscript and authenticate it. Radiocarbon dating by the University of Arizona showed it was likely to have been written between AD220 and 340.
Scholars in Britain pointed out that the document appeared to have been written several decades after the last of the gospels in the New Testament - that of John - and at least a century after the death of Judas Iscariot.
The Rt Rev John Pritchard, the Church of England Bishop of Jarrow, said: "I don't think it changes anything about the truth of the Christian faith. There has long been a theory that Judas wanted to flush Jesus out, to declare a rebellion and drive the Romans out and killed himself when he realised he had got it wrong, but we don't know that and neither did whoever wrote this document decades after the event. This is not something to put your faith on."
By the time the Gospel of Judas was written the basic content of the New Testament was in place; the criteria for choosing the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, as opposed to any of up to 30 alternatives, were their authenticity and direct authorial links to men who knew Jesus. Other texts, including presumably this one, were sifted out over succeeding centuries.
According to the Gospel of Judas, Jesus tells him: "You will be cursed by the other generations - and you will come to rule over them."
The first half of that prophecy has certainly come to pass. The second, even after yesterday's revelations, still seems a long way off.
· The Gospel of Judas will be shown on the National Geographic Channel on Sunday at 9pm
4d-don commented:
Saturday, October 27, 2007
Put God and Holy Books on Trial
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
4d-don said:
It is HIGH TIME to put GOD and the HOLY BOOKS of all religions ON TRIAL (International Tribunal).
Any criminal activity (hatred, incitement to hatred, murder, incitement to murder, genocide, conspiracy, and many more...) by either the "GOD" or "His/Her/It's" (usually male) REPRESENTATIVES should bring a removal of the "tax-exempt" status of the RELIGION in all UN Countries.
The evidence of criminal activity by many Religions is in black and white in their HOLY BOOKS.
If GOD is found "innocent" then IT's representatives should be forced to remove from the HOLY BOOKS the sections where the crimes are attributed to, or ordered by "GOD" as a condition for the continued operation of the RELIGION (cult) in any UN countries.
RELIGIONS should not be "tax-exempt" for creating a social problem (crime) and not adhering to the civil laws of the land, but if doing charity work, only the CHARITY WORK portion of that religion (cult) should be TAX EXEMPT, not the PROSELYTIZING of what now appears to be a CRIMINAL GOD, served by criminal representatives and gullible and naive but innocent followers!!
(4d-Don / October 24, 2007 - 09:11 pm)
4d-don said:
It is HIGH TIME to put GOD and the HOLY BOOKS of all religions ON TRIAL (International Tribunal).
Any criminal activity (hatred, incitement to hatred, murder, incitement to murder, genocide, conspiracy, and many more...) by either the "GOD" or "His/Her/It's" (usually male) REPRESENTATIVES should bring a removal of the "tax-exempt" status of the RELIGION in all UN Countries.
The evidence of criminal activity by many Religions is in black and white in their HOLY BOOKS.
If GOD is found "innocent" then IT's representatives should be forced to remove from the HOLY BOOKS the sections where the crimes are attributed to, or ordered by "GOD" as a condition for the continued operation of the RELIGION (cult) in any UN countries.
RELIGIONS should not be "tax-exempt" for creating a social problem (crime) and not adhering to the civil laws of the land, but if doing charity work, only the CHARITY WORK portion of that religion (cult) should be TAX EXEMPT, not the PROSELYTIZING of what now appears to be a CRIMINAL GOD, served by criminal representatives and gullible and naive but innocent followers!!
(4d-Don / October 24, 2007 - 09:11 pm)
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
How about a number for GOD...ONE?
Taken from:
http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Kim Piercey said:
One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. God wants to be your Saviour not your judge. Turn to Him and life will change. You can mock all you like but the truth is nothing in life will satisfy you until you have tried God!
(Kim Piercey / October 16, 2007 - 00:26 pm)
4d-Don said:
Those (Judeo-Christians) who pretend to know what their God (from the Goth (Germanic) empire that sacked Rome in the 4th century of the "common era" (CE)) wants, says and does always say that their God wants to SAVE us (and then punish us if we refuse). From WHAT? Satan, is what they answer. A powerful OPPOSITE of their GOD. MONOTHEISM is now DUALITY.
To speak for the ONE is a disease (psychosis that leads to megalomania), not a virtue.
To claim to know what the ONE desires is "blasphemy", as ONE (what they call G-O-D) does not have "attributes", wants and desires they claim.
To put Christ as GOD (Trinity) and then to call it by the lowly name of LORD (such as LORD Conrad Black et al) is "idolatry" at best and so "Constantinean" (see the Roman Emperor and his role in this schismic travesty) at worse.
Now the name for the ONE in Judaism is "Yahweh", or JEHOVA, not G-O-D. The Greek concept that preceded the Judaic concept of Yahweh and Elohim was LOGOS (LOGIC as defined by SOUND) not the static and germanic translation: "WORD". This LOGOS is translated in French as "VERB" not G-O-D or WORD. (see John 1).
To believe in GOD and not YAHWEH, ELOHIM, LOGOS, is so GERMANIC or GOTH! Now do you wonder why the resurgence of the GOTH culture in our YOUTH? Not the SPIRITUAL ACME of THEOLOGY for HOMO SAPIENS!
Those who are atheist and do not believe in your or any of the many GODs, CHRISTs (Messiah), WORDs, and who believe that MAN (homo sapiens) must save HIMSELF also have a "hard-wired" need for the MYSTICAL experience, hence believe in SOMETHING...WE just don't call it GOD, LORD, KING, etc...IT IS TOO LOWLY! Some, but not all, prefer ONE, UNITY, ALL etc... and what about NO ATTRIBUTES FOR THE ONE (such as FATHER, MALE, etc...)
WHAT ABOUT A NUMBER? ONE? ALL?
GET TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW! STOP FIGHTING and WAR!!
Christ, when he was living was not LORD and did not die as a LORD!
If God (Yahweh, Elohim, LOGOS) is LORD, then he (male) should be made a member of the MALE HOUSE OF LORDS, not the house (pantheon) of the SPIRITUAL (no gender) GODS!
(4d-don / October 22, 2007 - 10:13 pm)
http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Kim Piercey said:
One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. God wants to be your Saviour not your judge. Turn to Him and life will change. You can mock all you like but the truth is nothing in life will satisfy you until you have tried God!
(Kim Piercey / October 16, 2007 - 00:26 pm)
4d-Don said:
Those (Judeo-Christians) who pretend to know what their God (from the Goth (Germanic) empire that sacked Rome in the 4th century of the "common era" (CE)) wants, says and does always say that their God wants to SAVE us (and then punish us if we refuse). From WHAT? Satan, is what they answer. A powerful OPPOSITE of their GOD. MONOTHEISM is now DUALITY.
To speak for the ONE is a disease (psychosis that leads to megalomania), not a virtue.
To claim to know what the ONE desires is "blasphemy", as ONE (what they call G-O-D) does not have "attributes", wants and desires they claim.
To put Christ as GOD (Trinity) and then to call it by the lowly name of LORD (such as LORD Conrad Black et al) is "idolatry" at best and so "Constantinean" (see the Roman Emperor and his role in this schismic travesty) at worse.
Now the name for the ONE in Judaism is "Yahweh", or JEHOVA, not G-O-D. The Greek concept that preceded the Judaic concept of Yahweh and Elohim was LOGOS (LOGIC as defined by SOUND) not the static and germanic translation: "WORD". This LOGOS is translated in French as "VERB" not G-O-D or WORD. (see John 1).
To believe in GOD and not YAHWEH, ELOHIM, LOGOS, is so GERMANIC or GOTH! Now do you wonder why the resurgence of the GOTH culture in our YOUTH? Not the SPIRITUAL ACME of THEOLOGY for HOMO SAPIENS!
Those who are atheist and do not believe in your or any of the many GODs, CHRISTs (Messiah), WORDs, and who believe that MAN (homo sapiens) must save HIMSELF also have a "hard-wired" need for the MYSTICAL experience, hence believe in SOMETHING...WE just don't call it GOD, LORD, KING, etc...IT IS TOO LOWLY! Some, but not all, prefer ONE, UNITY, ALL etc... and what about NO ATTRIBUTES FOR THE ONE (such as FATHER, MALE, etc...)
WHAT ABOUT A NUMBER? ONE? ALL?
GET TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW! STOP FIGHTING and WAR!!
Christ, when he was living was not LORD and did not die as a LORD!
If God (Yahweh, Elohim, LOGOS) is LORD, then he (male) should be made a member of the MALE HOUSE OF LORDS, not the house (pantheon) of the SPIRITUAL (no gender) GODS!
(4d-don / October 22, 2007 - 10:13 pm)
Validating Proof of the ONE
Taken from: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Adam Sandler said:
u suck, i mean you dont even offer validating proof of ANY of your ideas or "facts"
(adam sandler / October 10, 2007 - 01:33 am)
4d-don said:
Those who "demand" validating proof of the "non-existence" of a "MYTH" (GOD) created by our un-developed, warring, and frightened fore-fathers obviously must have "validating" proof of the existence of the ONE (the Divine, what some call "GOD"). That PROOF? Their HOLY BOOKs... which are now considered "scientific" or validating proof of not only the ONE, but of his opponent "SATAN" or the DEMONS of the "underworld" who will EAT you if you don't perform certain RITUALS...
What was once called "CREATIONISM" is now called by the more scientific "INTELLIGENT DESIGN"...We can agree with that ONE! The UNIVERSE IS INTELLIGENT although some parts of the UNIVERSE (the ALL) or ONE (GOD) are more "intelligent" than others.
From the ONE of MONO-theism, comes the Duality of "inside and outside" of GOD...So accordingly, the ONE is not ALL, but there is a group of (damned) spirits and a "FIRE", who are outside the ONE and live in the HELL of "OUT THERE". That is not MONO (ONE) but DUAL-ity (TWO)...and all without "symetry"...
According to them, The ONE is IMPERFECT since there are someones or somethings "OUTSIDE" of the ONE...And apparently, the ONE is NOT A PERSON but a SPIRIT or I prefer: ALL...
Those who worship a PERSONAL ONE cannot PROVE the existence of that ONE (person), those who don't believe in that ONE can't prove it's "non-existence".
That is the "Science" of RELIGION...which is also the science of "Fantasy".
Whatever you can "think", you can CREATE...And if you write it down, the "gullible" followers will come! Be it Harry Potter or GOD...
Creating a RELIGION is easy...Ask PT Barnum who said: "There is a new one (sucker) born every minute."
(4d-don / October 14, 2007 - 09:00 pm)
Adam Sandler said:
u suck, i mean you dont even offer validating proof of ANY of your ideas or "facts"
(adam sandler / October 10, 2007 - 01:33 am)
4d-don said:
Those who "demand" validating proof of the "non-existence" of a "MYTH" (GOD) created by our un-developed, warring, and frightened fore-fathers obviously must have "validating" proof of the existence of the ONE (the Divine, what some call "GOD"). That PROOF? Their HOLY BOOKs... which are now considered "scientific" or validating proof of not only the ONE, but of his opponent "SATAN" or the DEMONS of the "underworld" who will EAT you if you don't perform certain RITUALS...
What was once called "CREATIONISM" is now called by the more scientific "INTELLIGENT DESIGN"...We can agree with that ONE! The UNIVERSE IS INTELLIGENT although some parts of the UNIVERSE (the ALL) or ONE (GOD) are more "intelligent" than others.
From the ONE of MONO-theism, comes the Duality of "inside and outside" of GOD...So accordingly, the ONE is not ALL, but there is a group of (damned) spirits and a "FIRE", who are outside the ONE and live in the HELL of "OUT THERE". That is not MONO (ONE) but DUAL-ity (TWO)...and all without "symetry"...
According to them, The ONE is IMPERFECT since there are someones or somethings "OUTSIDE" of the ONE...And apparently, the ONE is NOT A PERSON but a SPIRIT or I prefer: ALL...
Those who worship a PERSONAL ONE cannot PROVE the existence of that ONE (person), those who don't believe in that ONE can't prove it's "non-existence".
That is the "Science" of RELIGION...which is also the science of "Fantasy".
Whatever you can "think", you can CREATE...And if you write it down, the "gullible" followers will come! Be it Harry Potter or GOD...
Creating a RELIGION is easy...Ask PT Barnum who said: "There is a new one (sucker) born every minute."
(4d-don / October 14, 2007 - 09:00 pm)
Wednesday, September 12, 2007
From THEOS to LOGOS to YAHWEH to DEUS to GOTH to GOD
Taken from: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
The personal "GOD" of the Christians, Allah of the Muslims, and even the "no-name, no form" Yahweh/Elohim of the Jews, is more of a POLITICIAN and Military leader with Male (testosterone) emotions, some favourites or "pets", than a CREATIVE Process or a LAW without a "personality".
The personal Christian "G-o-d", made up of two closed-mouth consonants "G-D" enclosing the open-mouth vowel "O", comes from the word Goth, of the Germanic tribe, the Goth (Ostrogoths- Eastern Goths, the Visigoth- Western- Noble- Children of Goth), who along with their cousins, the Vandals, (who gave us "vandalism") sacked Rome in the 4th centruy as they were being displaced from their land by the advancing Huns)
We are seeing the resurgence of the GOTH culture in our youth. The current Gothic youths seems to be doing to the current culture what the ancient Goths did to the "Holy Roman Church" that had become the ruthless and terrorist state religion of the disintegrating Roman Empire, in the 4th century, following the Byzantine (roman) emperor, Constantine.
From that "take-over" of Constantine (the State), of the small "Jesus movement", also came the Trinity of God, making Christ the second person in a Divine Trinity, so Constantine, also a (pagan) GOD could become a Christian and have his sins of the murder of members of his family forgiven as offered by Christianity. This the pagan religion would not do. Constantine had a Church built at Byzantium with 12 podiums on columns, for the statues of the apostles (now limited to 12men, with no women, even the ones who stood at the cross as Jesus, the Nazarene, died and the twelve male apostles were hiding in fear of receiving the same fate), and one podium for himself, the GOD, Constantine. From the Council of Nicea came the Nicene Creed, whereby all Christians pledge to believe this "TRUTH".
Later came invasion of the Huns and migration of the VISIGOTHS (Western, Noble or the Children of Goth or God), and the Vandals who sacked Rome and defeated the Romans led by Valens.
To read the Nicene Creed from the Council of Nicea organized by Roman Emperor Constantine in 325 CE.
http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm
For translation of the document from the Council of Nicaea (Nicea or Nice)
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3801.htm
The battle of the Goth versus the Christian (Roman) Church/Empire although brought about by the advancing invasions of the Huns, is similar to the later Master Race (Nazis-German) versus the "chosen people" (Jews) for the position of the "favourites" or the Teacher's Pet or the ONE (what is now commonly called G-O-D in the Germanic languages, that include "English"). The Catholics, under Constantine believed in a Trinity as pledged by Constantine's Nicene Creed, the Visigoths followed the teachings of the Egyptian Bishop Arius, who did not believe in the TRINITY and the inclusion of Jesus of Nazareth as GOD. The Goth thought and showed themselves as the "prefered" of God with their overt suffering (hence the white painted faces and dark clothes, flagellation, etc.).
Let us at least call the UNITY or the ONE, what we, homo sapiens, are "hard-wired" for, according to recent science, the "mystical experience", by a name that is ONE or UNIVERSAL and that has no human attributes such as GENDER, Emotions, Moods and is not a PERSON. The Goth empire is no more but we kept the "gothic arch" in Church architecture, and their name for the Creator: Goth or God.
Just a thought...
(4d-don / 11/09/07 - 20:46)
The personal "GOD" of the Christians, Allah of the Muslims, and even the "no-name, no form" Yahweh/Elohim of the Jews, is more of a POLITICIAN and Military leader with Male (testosterone) emotions, some favourites or "pets", than a CREATIVE Process or a LAW without a "personality".
The personal Christian "G-o-d", made up of two closed-mouth consonants "G-D" enclosing the open-mouth vowel "O", comes from the word Goth, of the Germanic tribe, the Goth (Ostrogoths- Eastern Goths, the Visigoth- Western- Noble- Children of Goth), who along with their cousins, the Vandals, (who gave us "vandalism") sacked Rome in the 4th centruy as they were being displaced from their land by the advancing Huns)
We are seeing the resurgence of the GOTH culture in our youth. The current Gothic youths seems to be doing to the current culture what the ancient Goths did to the "Holy Roman Church" that had become the ruthless and terrorist state religion of the disintegrating Roman Empire, in the 4th century, following the Byzantine (roman) emperor, Constantine.
From that "take-over" of Constantine (the State), of the small "Jesus movement", also came the Trinity of God, making Christ the second person in a Divine Trinity, so Constantine, also a (pagan) GOD could become a Christian and have his sins of the murder of members of his family forgiven as offered by Christianity. This the pagan religion would not do. Constantine had a Church built at Byzantium with 12 podiums on columns, for the statues of the apostles (now limited to 12men, with no women, even the ones who stood at the cross as Jesus, the Nazarene, died and the twelve male apostles were hiding in fear of receiving the same fate), and one podium for himself, the GOD, Constantine. From the Council of Nicea came the Nicene Creed, whereby all Christians pledge to believe this "TRUTH".
Later came invasion of the Huns and migration of the VISIGOTHS (Western, Noble or the Children of Goth or God), and the Vandals who sacked Rome and defeated the Romans led by Valens.
To read the Nicene Creed from the Council of Nicea organized by Roman Emperor Constantine in 325 CE.
http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm
For translation of the document from the Council of Nicaea (Nicea or Nice)
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3801.htm
The battle of the Goth versus the Christian (Roman) Church/Empire although brought about by the advancing invasions of the Huns, is similar to the later Master Race (Nazis-German) versus the "chosen people" (Jews) for the position of the "favourites" or the Teacher's Pet or the ONE (what is now commonly called G-O-D in the Germanic languages, that include "English"). The Catholics, under Constantine believed in a Trinity as pledged by Constantine's Nicene Creed, the Visigoths followed the teachings of the Egyptian Bishop Arius, who did not believe in the TRINITY and the inclusion of Jesus of Nazareth as GOD. The Goth thought and showed themselves as the "prefered" of God with their overt suffering (hence the white painted faces and dark clothes, flagellation, etc.).
Let us at least call the UNITY or the ONE, what we, homo sapiens, are "hard-wired" for, according to recent science, the "mystical experience", by a name that is ONE or UNIVERSAL and that has no human attributes such as GENDER, Emotions, Moods and is not a PERSON. The Goth empire is no more but we kept the "gothic arch" in Church architecture, and their name for the Creator: Goth or God.
Just a thought...
(4d-don / 11/09/07 - 20:46)
Monday, September 10, 2007
The LAW-From ONE to ALL including ATHEISTS
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
For all "Christians" and other THE-ists (From the Greek Theos=God the ONE Creator)?...(notice that it's close to "THEY", the sacred INSTITUTE of "THEY"). Well, THEY died... I heard it on the NEWS and THEY never lie. lol ;-))
The culture that gave you (and us) "Christ", your Messiah (Saviour) and the Old Testament in the Bible has many myths and symbols.
Do Christians ever wonder why the culture who's history is carried in a "sacred document", includes the concept of the primacy of the "LAW"?
If we look at other cultures guided by the "LAW" carried in their Sacred Books of MYTHS and SYMBOLS, including the LAW OF ONE of the MYTHIC (or even SYMBOLIC) lost Atlantean culture, one finds the same guiding compendium of moral and ethical tenets of that culture at that time including some "un-elevated" and "survivalist" tenets such as the "discrimination" against "homosexuality".
The tribe, to remain "vital", has to sustain it's numbers or grow, and the historic "male/female" copulating was necessary at some past historic time for the survival of the tribes. Inner and inter-tribal copulating was the norm with a few "outside" sperms and/or eggs added to diversify the gene-pool. This "inspiration" to explore other territory and spread the "seeds", came to the "rebels" and/or misfits of the clans, the explorers and the adventurers.
The same for some "cleanliness laws such as: "menstruating" women were not to swim in the pools and/or ride in a saddle at the time of the "curse" that was menstruation.
If these LAWS were inspired by The ONE or THE UNITY (what some call God, the Creator, etc) either through "evolution" or "mind meld" as in the sci-fi Star Trek or the "Divine inspiration" of the theists, then "IT" seems to have given "IT" broad and wide to many and maybe all cultures at different "evolutionary" times and changed "IT" (the so-called "inspiration") as the need and the "knowledge base" changed.
That would be like a "ONE" or a "UNITY" which is not "tribal" but UNIVERSAL as in ONE - VERSE....(uni=one)
Sing together my children!! Together we are a "symphony". You (we) all have the same "inspiration" or "IT" from the ONE (Creator) to the ALL (Creation). Some (humanists, atheists) get it through "evolution", some (theists, religious, cultists) get it through "inspiration" and some (adherents to the other theisms, "religions" and cults) get it through "myths and fantasies" and some get IT from other games of the Universal MIND.
(4d-don / September 06, 2007 - 08:53 pm)
For all "Christians" and other THE-ists (From the Greek Theos=God the ONE Creator)?...(notice that it's close to "THEY", the sacred INSTITUTE of "THEY"). Well, THEY died... I heard it on the NEWS and THEY never lie. lol ;-))
The culture that gave you (and us) "Christ", your Messiah (Saviour) and the Old Testament in the Bible has many myths and symbols.
Do Christians ever wonder why the culture who's history is carried in a "sacred document", includes the concept of the primacy of the "LAW"?
If we look at other cultures guided by the "LAW" carried in their Sacred Books of MYTHS and SYMBOLS, including the LAW OF ONE of the MYTHIC (or even SYMBOLIC) lost Atlantean culture, one finds the same guiding compendium of moral and ethical tenets of that culture at that time including some "un-elevated" and "survivalist" tenets such as the "discrimination" against "homosexuality".
The tribe, to remain "vital", has to sustain it's numbers or grow, and the historic "male/female" copulating was necessary at some past historic time for the survival of the tribes. Inner and inter-tribal copulating was the norm with a few "outside" sperms and/or eggs added to diversify the gene-pool. This "inspiration" to explore other territory and spread the "seeds", came to the "rebels" and/or misfits of the clans, the explorers and the adventurers.
The same for some "cleanliness laws such as: "menstruating" women were not to swim in the pools and/or ride in a saddle at the time of the "curse" that was menstruation.
If these LAWS were inspired by The ONE or THE UNITY (what some call God, the Creator, etc) either through "evolution" or "mind meld" as in the sci-fi Star Trek or the "Divine inspiration" of the theists, then "IT" seems to have given "IT" broad and wide to many and maybe all cultures at different "evolutionary" times and changed "IT" (the so-called "inspiration") as the need and the "knowledge base" changed.
That would be like a "ONE" or a "UNITY" which is not "tribal" but UNIVERSAL as in ONE - VERSE....(uni=one)
Sing together my children!! Together we are a "symphony". You (we) all have the same "inspiration" or "IT" from the ONE (Creator) to the ALL (Creation). Some (humanists, atheists) get it through "evolution", some (theists, religious, cultists) get it through "inspiration" and some (adherents to the other theisms, "religions" and cults) get it through "myths and fantasies" and some get IT from other games of the Universal MIND.
(4d-don / September 06, 2007 - 08:53 pm)
Wednesday, September 5, 2007
Want " faith"? Ask "HIM" Properly!
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Atheists Are Irrational said:
Faith : "to believe because God has revealed it to you". But why should God if you don't ask properly, of even bother at all? But faith has been redefined as "Belief without knowledge" by modern secularists. That kind of self-justifying re-writing of things is all over your site. You blind yourself.
By the way the proper definition of atheist is "To deny the gods", and not 'unbelief' as you claim, which is actually a form of agnostic.
Ironic that atheists do not have proof that God does not exist. While Christians at least have the potential of a genuine mechanism of proof (God revealing himself).
(Atheists Are Irrational / September 02, 2007 - 11:56 pm)
4d-Don said:
Does one have to ask the sun for heat and light? Does one have to ask for, not the "force" but the "geometry" of Gravity. Does one have to ask the Wind to blow? The REALITY or the ONE is revealed to ALL without asking. The darkness that is '"BLIND faith" hides the day of logic with all it's so-called "light". Would you again make war and destroy those who do not "BELIEVE" in your "gods" as your fundamentalist ilk have done for centuries?
We, the INFONAUTS are redefining what is "proper". I don't know if you heard but "THEY died"!! We are the "authority" on our lives and what we believe. The "gods" along with fairies, devils, imps, devas, and the other "personal" creations of a frightened "authority" is not what I believe. I believe in the ONE or UNITY of LIFE...not a minor desert tribal "god" who is always angry, at war. The Bible is the path to immorality that is supposed to lead to the GREAT MORALITY. NOT!! A fiction originated by "camel-dung eating" prophets and con-men of religion to manipulate the masses and be supported by the "middle classes".
GOD IS NOT A MALE according to John 1, but a "WORD". Christians, to be as John, the mystic and probably Essene (not Paul, the murderer, or the doctor, or the tax-collector) should at least make the ONE a "SPIRIT" and not a MALE PERSON who REVEALS (dreams) to an ELITE. The ElITE then re-write and claim that it was the POOR who were the messengers, and the prefered of this minor tribal "god".
One cannot prove the "non-existence" of something such as "elves", "fairies", etc...read some "theology" (study of the ONE-What some call Theos, LOGOS or the CREATOR,the SINGULARITY, the UNITY and "god") such as Thomas Aquinas (the monk and Saint, who was muzzled by the CHURCH in his lifetime).
(4d-Don / September 04, 2007 - 09:03 pm)
Atheists Are Irrational said:
Faith : "to believe because God has revealed it to you". But why should God if you don't ask properly, of even bother at all? But faith has been redefined as "Belief without knowledge" by modern secularists. That kind of self-justifying re-writing of things is all over your site. You blind yourself.
By the way the proper definition of atheist is "To deny the gods", and not 'unbelief' as you claim, which is actually a form of agnostic.
Ironic that atheists do not have proof that God does not exist. While Christians at least have the potential of a genuine mechanism of proof (God revealing himself).
(Atheists Are Irrational / September 02, 2007 - 11:56 pm)
4d-Don said:
Does one have to ask the sun for heat and light? Does one have to ask for, not the "force" but the "geometry" of Gravity. Does one have to ask the Wind to blow? The REALITY or the ONE is revealed to ALL without asking. The darkness that is '"BLIND faith" hides the day of logic with all it's so-called "light". Would you again make war and destroy those who do not "BELIEVE" in your "gods" as your fundamentalist ilk have done for centuries?
We, the INFONAUTS are redefining what is "proper". I don't know if you heard but "THEY died"!! We are the "authority" on our lives and what we believe. The "gods" along with fairies, devils, imps, devas, and the other "personal" creations of a frightened "authority" is not what I believe. I believe in the ONE or UNITY of LIFE...not a minor desert tribal "god" who is always angry, at war. The Bible is the path to immorality that is supposed to lead to the GREAT MORALITY. NOT!! A fiction originated by "camel-dung eating" prophets and con-men of religion to manipulate the masses and be supported by the "middle classes".
GOD IS NOT A MALE according to John 1, but a "WORD". Christians, to be as John, the mystic and probably Essene (not Paul, the murderer, or the doctor, or the tax-collector) should at least make the ONE a "SPIRIT" and not a MALE PERSON who REVEALS (dreams) to an ELITE. The ElITE then re-write and claim that it was the POOR who were the messengers, and the prefered of this minor tribal "god".
One cannot prove the "non-existence" of something such as "elves", "fairies", etc...read some "theology" (study of the ONE-What some call Theos, LOGOS or the CREATOR,the SINGULARITY, the UNITY and "god") such as Thomas Aquinas (the monk and Saint, who was muzzled by the CHURCH in his lifetime).
(4d-Don / September 04, 2007 - 09:03 pm)
Tuesday, July 24, 2007
Mutiny of the Infonauts
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Trulee said:
What a great find! we are more then a few! sometimes I feel I have to whisper not to bring on the (w)rath of the godlings
(truelee / July 20, 2007 - 07:33 am)
4d-Don Said:
As an a-THEIST, I do not "oppose" the concept of the ONE or the UNITY! (What some call "God"). I do oppose the static and dogmatic definition that organized religions have given to the ONE of their PYRAMIDAL structure, where THEY (the sacred Institute of "THEY) are the "elite" or the "saved" at the top of the Pyramid, and the Masses, as the needy sinners, carries this useless structure as if they were not "inside" the ONE, unless and until authorized by the "PRIEST" class. (the rituals of Baptism, etc..)
I believe in a more just, egalitarian, "spheric or spiral" universal and Divine structure where MOTION is scalar and where all have an equal access to the ONE, the UNITY or the DIVINE in us all, with it's positive attributes of HOPE, LOVE, CHARITY, etc..., and without the fear of the "NEGATIVE" (sin and Hell), and without the need for a religious or Pyramidal proxy system.
We are safely tucked inside the ONE where we live. We still need the pyramid structure for military, police, business etc...We do not need the "pyramidal" structure to reach the ONE or to expand to the stars where all motions in space are arcs, orbits, rotations, etc and where "translational" motion is just a relative local "illusion" much like tribal "RELIGIONS and their version of pyramidal (triangular, trinity) MONOTHEISM.
The pyramidal structure is useful in Eucledian geometry of three dimensions (3d), and is thus useful until we are off the planet, Mother Earth, Gaia, our cradle. Time to leave the imaginary BREAST children, and become responsible "adults", ready to reach for the stars.
This is a religious MUTINY of the INFONAUTS! The People are taking over their own ships for the sake of our spiritual diversity and our very survival!
Religions would have us make war with one another yet again!
The hour of our "transformation" is at hand! It is written in the BOOKS! lol
(4d-don / July 21, 2007 - 20:29)
Trulee said:
What a great find! we are more then a few! sometimes I feel I have to whisper not to bring on the (w)rath of the godlings
(truelee / July 20, 2007 - 07:33 am)
4d-Don Said:
As an a-THEIST, I do not "oppose" the concept of the ONE or the UNITY! (What some call "God"). I do oppose the static and dogmatic definition that organized religions have given to the ONE of their PYRAMIDAL structure, where THEY (the sacred Institute of "THEY) are the "elite" or the "saved" at the top of the Pyramid, and the Masses, as the needy sinners, carries this useless structure as if they were not "inside" the ONE, unless and until authorized by the "PRIEST" class. (the rituals of Baptism, etc..)
I believe in a more just, egalitarian, "spheric or spiral" universal and Divine structure where MOTION is scalar and where all have an equal access to the ONE, the UNITY or the DIVINE in us all, with it's positive attributes of HOPE, LOVE, CHARITY, etc..., and without the fear of the "NEGATIVE" (sin and Hell), and without the need for a religious or Pyramidal proxy system.
We are safely tucked inside the ONE where we live. We still need the pyramid structure for military, police, business etc...We do not need the "pyramidal" structure to reach the ONE or to expand to the stars where all motions in space are arcs, orbits, rotations, etc and where "translational" motion is just a relative local "illusion" much like tribal "RELIGIONS and their version of pyramidal (triangular, trinity) MONOTHEISM.
The pyramidal structure is useful in Eucledian geometry of three dimensions (3d), and is thus useful until we are off the planet, Mother Earth, Gaia, our cradle. Time to leave the imaginary BREAST children, and become responsible "adults", ready to reach for the stars.
This is a religious MUTINY of the INFONAUTS! The People are taking over their own ships for the sake of our spiritual diversity and our very survival!
Religions would have us make war with one another yet again!
The hour of our "transformation" is at hand! It is written in the BOOKS! lol
(4d-don / July 21, 2007 - 20:29)
Saturday, July 14, 2007
The ONE, the LOGOS and Monotheism
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Gravitondragon said:
I ask that you please read this through with an open mind, as I know of your belief about God. I can see you are set against God. You probably don't believe the Bible, but it has been around nearly 2000 years and is yet to be proven false. Archeology has excavated many sites in reference to the Scriptures and found evidence on many occasions, confirming its accuracy. If it is as accurate about things of history, why should I not then logically move on to look at what caused this? The Bible is more historically accurate than any other book of antiquity and does not contradict itself. For example, the gospels are written by four different authors. If you look closely at the text, you will find that while later copies add or don't elaborate on certain points they all portray the same message. Also, Jesus is the theme of the Bible. If, like atheists say, the world is made from matter, then where did it come from? I understand that you do not wish to ask this question, but how can I blindly accept anything without looking at the facts? I don't believe that you are a bad person, in fact it is an act of bravery to make your views so public. If possible, I would like to set up a chat to further discuss this. I will continue to read your website.
Take care and I look forward to your reply.
(gravitondragon / July 1st, 2007 - 01:10 am)
SP said:
I feel so sorry for you. It's sad for me to see someone who is unable to connect with that which has no name, that which is beyond reason and mindset. I wish you wisdom.
(SP / July 3, 2007 - 10:20 am)
4d-don said:
To quote the Bible as a proof of the existence of the ONE, the UNITY what some call by the Gothic "GOD", (from the Germanic tribe, the Goth, that invaded Rome in 4th century, common era, not Christian era, is like quoting "Mein Kempf" to prove the concept of the MASTER RACE (the CHOSEN PEOPLE). That was once the claim of the JEWS, as well as most religions, and is now the the claim of the CHRISTIANS. It's a disease called Monotheism, and it spreads.
The ONE (what some call God) if seen as a number or an abstraction to represent the UNITY in ALL, is then not a word (except in such compound words as "one-ness" to convey attributes of UNITY to words and concepts. Then "in the beginning" (Christian Bible, John 1) was not THE WORD (but the NUMBER). Yahweh means "no name" (no word), "no form", "no attributes". And that is only one of the names in the Christian BIBLE for the ONE, (the MONO of Monotheism). The other word is ELOHIM and that makes up the two Biblical words for The ONE, the UNITY, belonging to two tribes that later made up ISRAEL, the Yahwehists and the Elohimists.
The Greek concept used by John, the apostle, in John 1 of the Christian Bible, to express the ONE (GOD), is LOGOS. In the beginning was the LOGOS.(John 1) This is a philosophical concept and means: LOGIC as defined by sound, using the arrangement of sounds called: words. So MOTION! A dynamic concept that is not STATIC, as A DOGMA or A WORD! But LOGOS was translated that way by the "ELITE" for the control of the "lowly mass". A "word" can be "solid" and hence "sold". Logic has to be taught and then the student of LOGIC does not need the TEACHER anymore. So religion loses it's pyramidal (top down) control.
In French, the Biblical LOGOS was translated as: "le verbe", or the verb. Again, dynamic and in MOTION. An action, and not STATIC, as a DOGMA or a WORD.
That was early Christ's teaching according to JOHN, his friend.
MAKE SENSE (logic) WITH WORDS OR YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE LOGOS OF JOHN, the beloved of Jesus, the CHRIST (Messiah)
I find that many who quote the Bible have never read it but are just repeating what others have said about it. (the preachers). I have read the Catholic, King James, New Jerusalem (Jeru=NEW, so NEW SALEM), and many of the "modern" versions" of the old "compilations". I find many illogical and inaccurate accounts, too many to list. Those who say that it has never been "proven" are just apologists for a document that is as archaic as the fundamental concepts they espouse such as the one that Women can't be Popes or Masters (If transfered to India) or even "apostles" (note Mary the Magdalene and other brave women who stood at the cross as Jesus died, while the other "apostles" hid in fear for their lives, are not "apostles").
And then there's the ORIGINAL SIN! The alleged sin of ADAM and EVE that we all now are "guilty of". Now that is a good ONE ! Very "logical" according to some...or LOGOS!! lol I'm sure glad our "fought for" and democratic civil legal system is intellectually loftier than the Religious laws that espouses that type of DOGMA!
4d-don - July 8, 2007
Gravitondragon said:
I ask that you please read this through with an open mind, as I know of your belief about God. I can see you are set against God. You probably don't believe the Bible, but it has been around nearly 2000 years and is yet to be proven false. Archeology has excavated many sites in reference to the Scriptures and found evidence on many occasions, confirming its accuracy. If it is as accurate about things of history, why should I not then logically move on to look at what caused this? The Bible is more historically accurate than any other book of antiquity and does not contradict itself. For example, the gospels are written by four different authors. If you look closely at the text, you will find that while later copies add or don't elaborate on certain points they all portray the same message. Also, Jesus is the theme of the Bible. If, like atheists say, the world is made from matter, then where did it come from? I understand that you do not wish to ask this question, but how can I blindly accept anything without looking at the facts? I don't believe that you are a bad person, in fact it is an act of bravery to make your views so public. If possible, I would like to set up a chat to further discuss this. I will continue to read your website.
Take care and I look forward to your reply.
(gravitondragon / July 1st, 2007 - 01:10 am)
SP said:
I feel so sorry for you. It's sad for me to see someone who is unable to connect with that which has no name, that which is beyond reason and mindset. I wish you wisdom.
(SP / July 3, 2007 - 10:20 am)
4d-don said:
To quote the Bible as a proof of the existence of the ONE, the UNITY what some call by the Gothic "GOD", (from the Germanic tribe, the Goth, that invaded Rome in 4th century, common era, not Christian era, is like quoting "Mein Kempf" to prove the concept of the MASTER RACE (the CHOSEN PEOPLE). That was once the claim of the JEWS, as well as most religions, and is now the the claim of the CHRISTIANS. It's a disease called Monotheism, and it spreads.
The ONE (what some call God) if seen as a number or an abstraction to represent the UNITY in ALL, is then not a word (except in such compound words as "one-ness" to convey attributes of UNITY to words and concepts. Then "in the beginning" (Christian Bible, John 1) was not THE WORD (but the NUMBER). Yahweh means "no name" (no word), "no form", "no attributes". And that is only one of the names in the Christian BIBLE for the ONE, (the MONO of Monotheism). The other word is ELOHIM and that makes up the two Biblical words for The ONE, the UNITY, belonging to two tribes that later made up ISRAEL, the Yahwehists and the Elohimists.
The Greek concept used by John, the apostle, in John 1 of the Christian Bible, to express the ONE (GOD), is LOGOS. In the beginning was the LOGOS.(John 1) This is a philosophical concept and means: LOGIC as defined by sound, using the arrangement of sounds called: words. So MOTION! A dynamic concept that is not STATIC, as A DOGMA or A WORD! But LOGOS was translated that way by the "ELITE" for the control of the "lowly mass". A "word" can be "solid" and hence "sold". Logic has to be taught and then the student of LOGIC does not need the TEACHER anymore. So religion loses it's pyramidal (top down) control.
In French, the Biblical LOGOS was translated as: "le verbe", or the verb. Again, dynamic and in MOTION. An action, and not STATIC, as a DOGMA or a WORD.
That was early Christ's teaching according to JOHN, his friend.
MAKE SENSE (logic) WITH WORDS OR YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE LOGOS OF JOHN, the beloved of Jesus, the CHRIST (Messiah)
I find that many who quote the Bible have never read it but are just repeating what others have said about it. (the preachers). I have read the Catholic, King James, New Jerusalem (Jeru=NEW, so NEW SALEM), and many of the "modern" versions" of the old "compilations". I find many illogical and inaccurate accounts, too many to list. Those who say that it has never been "proven" are just apologists for a document that is as archaic as the fundamental concepts they espouse such as the one that Women can't be Popes or Masters (If transfered to India) or even "apostles" (note Mary the Magdalene and other brave women who stood at the cross as Jesus died, while the other "apostles" hid in fear for their lives, are not "apostles").
And then there's the ORIGINAL SIN! The alleged sin of ADAM and EVE that we all now are "guilty of". Now that is a good ONE ! Very "logical" according to some...or LOGOS!! lol I'm sure glad our "fought for" and democratic civil legal system is intellectually loftier than the Religious laws that espouses that type of DOGMA!
4d-don - July 8, 2007
The HOPEFUL Bummers!
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Oviettiv said:
'am really impressed!!
(obiettiv / June 19, 2007 - 09:43 pm)
Rachel Crossley said:
Terrible website, u bummmers
(Rachel Crossley / June 18, 2007 - 10:12 am)
Christian said:
You pose some interesting questions. I have spent some time studying some of your material. I was just wondering if you believe in the concept of truth. If so, I would like to know. I will continue to examine your website. God Bless.
(christian / July 1st, 2007 - 00:45 am)
4d-don said:
We have HOPE and we are called "BUMMERS"... I guess it's not the "right kind of HOPE"... Like the kind that comes from a "legitimate" "church"... That's like saying that if you play the kitchen spoons, you are not really a "spoon player" as to truly be a "spoon player", one has to use the "musical Instruments" bought at a "legitimate" music store. You know the kind that are "stuck together already.
We are taking back our HOPE also because the RELIGIOUS fear of a HELL is not enough of a motivator. It does not stop "evil" from existing as collectively having created the "hell" from fantasy to "reality" simply by saying it, writing it and and then "collectively" believing it, the "lowest among us" will become curious to experience that "evil"...
Where is the HOPE in the Religious HELL and the other attributes of the realm of EVIL disguised as "GOOD"..
Hell is the absence of God (not the ONE). So there is an Inside and an Outside of God. So God has dual qualities. It is also Male, so female is outside?
Logic is better than Fantasy in this case. ;-)) ONE IS ALL... ALL IS ONE...(no gender, no maleness, no duality...ONE IN ALL and ALL IN ONE... Alexandre Dumas (loosely) in the Three Musketeers...lol
(4d-don / June 26, 2007 - 00:56 am)
Saturday, July 7, 2007
See how they LOVE ONE ANOTHER
See how they LOVE ONE ANOTHER!
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
4d-don said:
One can always tell who the Religious people are. They are the ones who wish their neighbours the curse of hell for eternity, and even create a space, the mythical ("hell") awaiting the "saintly" non-believers to go to forever. And not only for a crime or sin committed but also for the sins of "the Fathers" and/or if one does not take their delusional fantasy seriously. They even create a "Satan" to tempt one into "sinning" and to trick one into adhering to and believing in the his "non-existence".
Such fantasies are called "dogmas" or "truths". Satan's "modus operandi" to get one to believe that HE (male just like their minor tribal "GOD" and not the ONE) does not exist is to use one's desires and passions. In religion hides this spiritual "sickness" that we will have to define before we can evolve out of the childhood tantrums that are wars and "violence" against the fellow HUMANS. Even "intellectual" terrorism that is the fear created around this "punishment" of the religious hell, as if one was "guilty" from birth, has to be exposed as a societal disease that has to be "exorcised" as we reach "childhood's end", to quote Arthur C Clark.
(4d-don / June 24, 2007 - 06:44 am)
The Bummers (with faith, hope and charity and LOVE)
The Bummers!
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Rachel said:
Terrible website, u bummmers
(Rachel Crossley / June 18, 2007 - 10:12 am)
4d-don said:
We have HOPE and we are called "BUMMERS"... I guess it's not the "right kind of HOPE"... Like the kind that comes from a "legitimate" "church"... That's like saying that if you play the kitchen spoons, you are not really a "spoon player" as to truly be a "spoon player", one has to use the "musical Instruments" bought at a "legitimate" music store. You know the kind that are "stuck together already.
We are taking back our HOPE also because the RELIGIOUS fear of a HELL is not enough of a motivator. It does not stop "evil" from existing as collectively having created the "hell" from fantasy to "reality" simply by saying it, writing it and and then "collectively" believing it, the "lowest among us" will become curious to experience that "evil"...
Where is the HOPE in the Religious HELL and the other attributes of the realm of EVIL disguised as "GOOD"..
Hell is the absence of God (not the ONE). So there is an Inside and an Outside of God. So God has dual qualities. It is also Male, so female is outside?
Logic is better than Fantasy in this case. ;-)) ONE IS ALL... ALL IS ONE...(no gender, no maleness, no duality...ONE IN ALL and ALL IN ONE... Alexandre Dumas (loosely) in the Muscateers...lol
(4d-don / June 26, 2007 - 00:56 am)
From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Rachel said:
Terrible website, u bummmers
(Rachel Crossley / June 18, 2007 - 10:12 am)
4d-don said:
We have HOPE and we are called "BUMMERS"... I guess it's not the "right kind of HOPE"... Like the kind that comes from a "legitimate" "church"... That's like saying that if you play the kitchen spoons, you are not really a "spoon player" as to truly be a "spoon player", one has to use the "musical Instruments" bought at a "legitimate" music store. You know the kind that are "stuck together already.
We are taking back our HOPE also because the RELIGIOUS fear of a HELL is not enough of a motivator. It does not stop "evil" from existing as collectively having created the "hell" from fantasy to "reality" simply by saying it, writing it and and then "collectively" believing it, the "lowest among us" will become curious to experience that "evil"...
Where is the HOPE in the Religious HELL and the other attributes of the realm of EVIL disguised as "GOOD"..
Hell is the absence of God (not the ONE). So there is an Inside and an Outside of God. So God has dual qualities. It is also Male, so female is outside?
Logic is better than Fantasy in this case. ;-)) ONE IS ALL... ALL IS ONE...(no gender, no maleness, no duality...ONE IN ALL and ALL IN ONE... Alexandre Dumas (loosely) in the Muscateers...lol
(4d-don / June 26, 2007 - 00:56 am)
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Hi Christians...
Amazing again that the gnostics resurface millenia after they were massacred by the "orthodox catholics" in the name of Christ. The (intellectual) slaughter still goes on as so-called officials of the orthodox churches, without knowing anything of importance on the subject, and not versed on the subject, reject the authenticity and even the hypothesis that the document could be accurate, out of hand. Is that the best "expertism" has to offer, and what or who should we put our faith in? A judgement without a trial? Christ would have wished better for his Apostles, even for Judas and Mary Magdalen. And what about the other of the original 12. Were they also "edited" out because of the content of their writings?
For the love of "Christ", have a heart for Poor Judas, and Mary Magdalen et al and let them have a "legacy" beside that of a traitor and a whore, all built on the rambling and ravings of power-hungry and corrupt Orthodox Imperialists of the 2nd and 3rd Centuries. The so-called "Holy Roman Catholic Church" the remnants of the Holy Roman EMPIRE!
Have a Heart and become Christ-like if not Christians...
4d-Don