From the Atheism, Capital Man, "Visitor's book" at http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Chris said:
someone asked for a joke about atheism that would make him/her laugh...
The truth is there isn't one...
Atheism is nothing to joke about... more over, you should cry... cause it's a sad belief that you will one day go to sleep only to remain that way...
To me, that's not something worth my thought...
maybe it works for some... its just not for me...
life is too hard to go through without the Big Guy upstairs... lol
(Chris... / April 28, 2008 - 07:21 am)
4d-Don said:
Theism and Atheism and LIFE in general are all something to "joke" about, and the REAL TRUTH is that there are many jokes about Theism, Religion, the ONE and ONLY (what some call God), and yes, about Atheism too. If not, we thinkers can make one up. Theists are very cavalier with the word "TRUTH"...
Theists (Judaeo-Christians) seem to want the atheists and all who don't believe in the MALE GOD of Abraham, like them, to "cry", and be sad and be "damned", and think that all who don't believe in the GOD of Abraham, a MALE tribal GOD, or are Atheists, who in REAL TRUTH, don't believe in a PERSONAL GOD at all, all think ONE WAY and are all the SAME...LOST for ETERNITY!
Judge the ACTIONS, not the BELIEF! There are many BAD Christians (immoral, unethical, sinners?), and many good (moral and ethical) ATHEISTS!
Atheists are not necessarily all MATERIALISTS who think that Matter is all there is to LIFE. Some Atheists believe in SOMETHING beyond MATTER! There is a difference between FAITH, TRUTH and BELIEF!
The "theists" who simply swallow the thoughts (fantasies and creations) of nationalist "MISFITS", (camel dung eaters) of centuries ago, and don't think any further, as they seem unable to, want their children to "think for themselves" and not follow the CROWD.
The UNI-VERSE is ONE...IF there are many-verses, then we can say that the MULTIVERSE is ONE or UNITED...IF there is a FIRST CAUSE (CREATOR), we can also say that IT IS ONE and IT is not MALE ( not a "Big GUY")...but can be said to BE ALL and also, be the cause of ALL!
And there are many JOKES about IT too...
You gotta laugh because it's not funny!
(4d-don / April 29, 2008 - 08:46 pm)
Thursday, May 1, 2008
Thursday, March 27, 2008
Find Jesus or the Trinity - Not the ONE (God)
Taken from the site: ATHEISM, THE CAPITAL MAN
Betsy Said:
I honestly am just praying that you find Jesus in some way in your life. He fuels my love and pushes me every day to give more love than I thought possible to everyone around me. I hope you can discover this love.
(Betsy / February 7, 2008 - 04:46)
4d-Don Said:
Having felt and hence, discovered love from my birth, and also understood it, and its effects, from my youth. I now also see it in ONE (what some call GOD) and ALL (the CREATED), and not only in the Religious, specially not only in the "chosen" adepts of such religions as Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and Jews..
I do not confuse the ONE, the UNITY with a PERSON, specially not a PERSON placed as "the second person in a "tri-une GOD" by the decree of a murderous ROMAN EMPEROR, in the early centuries of the "Jesus MOVEMENT". Rome and Constantine took over CHRISTIANITY and it became the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!! Not a testament of LOVE, this HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!!
ONE person does not "FUEL" love in others, but the MESSAGE, the WORDS that are written and attributed to a person, and then read can, and sometimes does stimulate a LOVING disposition, that is then fueled by the individual if LOVE is what that person wants and if the FUEL is available in that person. Some psychopaths cannot love no matter how much love one "PRAYS" at it.
Some religions then call that condition the effects of a "DEMON"!!
The directed actions of a person can also help stimulate, not fuel, love in others. That is a testament to the BRAIN and to the MIND to recognize the "cumulative" properties of LOVE. It is also a testament to one of the properties of our CARBON body to imprint into our genes, the cumulative knowledge of past generation. It speaks to the LOVE (or "EFFICACY") of the ONE, or of the UNITY, of the ALL, of the SYSTEM, rather than to the LOVE OF A MAN (mythic or real) who lived thousands of years ago... That is not LOGICAL as JOHN (the beloved disciple) would probably say.
Remember Moses and "I am "THAT" I am"... NOT "WHO"! NOT A PERSON!!
All prayers are good as they show "intention", but it is for "oneself" that one prays. If it affects the "target" of the prayer, it is minimal at best but is appreciated as a good thought for the PRAY-er and a good "fuzzy feeling" for the PRAY-ee...
May ALL realize that LOVE is fueled by various sources for various people, but mostly, love is fueled by "ONE-self" as a survival mechanism for the individual, his/her family, his/her clan, his/her tribe, and his/her species.
MAY WE ALL FIND MORE LOVE! NOT MORE RELIGION!!
(4d-don / February 9, 2008 - 00:15)
Betsy Said:
I honestly am just praying that you find Jesus in some way in your life. He fuels my love and pushes me every day to give more love than I thought possible to everyone around me. I hope you can discover this love.
(Betsy / February 7, 2008 - 04:46)
4d-Don Said:
Having felt and hence, discovered love from my birth, and also understood it, and its effects, from my youth. I now also see it in ONE (what some call GOD) and ALL (the CREATED), and not only in the Religious, specially not only in the "chosen" adepts of such religions as Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and Jews..
I do not confuse the ONE, the UNITY with a PERSON, specially not a PERSON placed as "the second person in a "tri-une GOD" by the decree of a murderous ROMAN EMPEROR, in the early centuries of the "Jesus MOVEMENT". Rome and Constantine took over CHRISTIANITY and it became the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!! Not a testament of LOVE, this HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!!
ONE person does not "FUEL" love in others, but the MESSAGE, the WORDS that are written and attributed to a person, and then read can, and sometimes does stimulate a LOVING disposition, that is then fueled by the individual if LOVE is what that person wants and if the FUEL is available in that person. Some psychopaths cannot love no matter how much love one "PRAYS" at it.
Some religions then call that condition the effects of a "DEMON"!!
The directed actions of a person can also help stimulate, not fuel, love in others. That is a testament to the BRAIN and to the MIND to recognize the "cumulative" properties of LOVE. It is also a testament to one of the properties of our CARBON body to imprint into our genes, the cumulative knowledge of past generation. It speaks to the LOVE (or "EFFICACY") of the ONE, or of the UNITY, of the ALL, of the SYSTEM, rather than to the LOVE OF A MAN (mythic or real) who lived thousands of years ago... That is not LOGICAL as JOHN (the beloved disciple) would probably say.
Remember Moses and "I am "THAT" I am"... NOT "WHO"! NOT A PERSON!!
All prayers are good as they show "intention", but it is for "oneself" that one prays. If it affects the "target" of the prayer, it is minimal at best but is appreciated as a good thought for the PRAY-er and a good "fuzzy feeling" for the PRAY-ee...
May ALL realize that LOVE is fueled by various sources for various people, but mostly, love is fueled by "ONE-self" as a survival mechanism for the individual, his/her family, his/her clan, his/her tribe, and his/her species.
MAY WE ALL FIND MORE LOVE! NOT MORE RELIGION!!
(4d-don / February 9, 2008 - 00:15)
Monday, January 28, 2008
The Hard Dead Heart (seat of the soul)
Sarah Said:
I actually cried when I saw this site. I was looking for a picture for my bible essay, and this site popped up. Unfortunately, I clicked on it. You need to seriously consider why you have this hate in your life for Jesus. If only your hard, dead heart felt what mine did when i hear the name JESUS. No shudders, just complete happiness.
(Sarah / January 28, 2008 - 03:14 am)
4d-don Said:
Children feel "Happiness" when Santa Claus, fairies, elves, and all magic, are mentionned. That does not mean that the commercial version of Coca Cola's (from Cocaine) Santa Claus exists.
Those who project hate at those who don't agree with them as if WE hated, create that hatred in their own minds using the energy in the "logic" of our words (LOGOS). Rather than LOVING the sinner and talking about the alleged sin, some (fewer and fewer) attack the person rather than discussing the MESSAGE, because they cannot do otherwise. Their theological message is flawed and a fantasy (Roman?, German?)...GOD, or ONE, is not and cannot be a MALE PERSON or any point or place in SPACE. IT ain't logical or LOGOS or in agreement with Moses or the early JEWS!!
I personally love Jesus, or more accurately, his MESSAGE of love, and (I tolerate) ALL people, even if he and others which I sometimes refer to may simply be MYTHs.
Has anyone ever wondered why there are no dates on all the letters, epistles, gospels, writings called "PROOF" of the existence of Jesus? God apparently passed on Earth and no one of his following recorded the dates of the events in "HIS" life? Then they call HIM "LORD". Why did he not write himself? Could he? Does his message have other earlier sources? (some claim that even the "sermon on the mount" is a re-hash of a series of old Egyptian aphorisms. Was Jesus original? Why did the TRINITY, making Jesus a "God", only begin to exist after Constantine, the Roman Emperor? Why do the Christians not call ONE (God) by the same name as the Jews, as Jesus and the apostles probably did? (Yahweh, LOGOS, Elohim) Why call what the Jews probably called "I am THAT I am" (Moses) or Yahweh ("IT that has no name, no form, etc.."), by the Germanic words GOD (Goth), the FATHER or even the lowly, LORD? Why is there a gender in the Christian ONE? Even Angels (myths?) have no gender, being spirits. That is not Jewish or Greek of the time but of a few centuries after the death of Jesus of Nazareth, called the Christ (Messiah)?
No answers to the questions, just attacks on the messenger? Is that not typical "RELIGIOUS" modus operandi?... At least in western Christianity, we have removed enough secular power from the religions (Christianity) so they can't kill us anymore in the name of their gothic (German) God. The other Religions such as the Muslims et al, of the descendants of Abrahan have to re-form so as to remove the power to kill from the hands of the so-call "religious" so that we the citizens, the PEOPLE can begin the dialogue that must take place as we reach what Michio Kaku, physicist, calls: "CIVILIZATION ONE", the GLOBAL SOCIETY!!
Apparently, one can OFFER one's hatred (sins) to JESUS so he can wash one's sins away and then atone (become at- one) with the sinner (apparently all of US). One should not push one's hatred on one's fellow pilgrim on this rugged road of LIFE...
JESUS WOULD NOT DO THAT!!
HOW LOVING!! See how they LOVE?
My heart, the pump for blood, is as soft and alive as everyone else's, even as the CHRISTIANS. That is another metaphor that is falsely taken "literally" by the "faith-based" belief systems. The heart is a PUMP, not the seat of our connection to the other world.
We are connected to ALL and are ONE with ALL everywhere and everywhen!! That is science, not religion!! There is not a greater connection at the heart than at the brain, or at the lowly rectum!! We are connected, and can't get out of ONE, the UNITY!!! What some call GOD!!
As JESUS, one can cry about hatred (probably as it is in one's own self) and cleanse oneself of it!!
4d-don
I actually cried when I saw this site. I was looking for a picture for my bible essay, and this site popped up. Unfortunately, I clicked on it. You need to seriously consider why you have this hate in your life for Jesus. If only your hard, dead heart felt what mine did when i hear the name JESUS. No shudders, just complete happiness.
(Sarah / January 28, 2008 - 03:14 am)
4d-don Said:
Children feel "Happiness" when Santa Claus, fairies, elves, and all magic, are mentionned. That does not mean that the commercial version of Coca Cola's (from Cocaine) Santa Claus exists.
Those who project hate at those who don't agree with them as if WE hated, create that hatred in their own minds using the energy in the "logic" of our words (LOGOS). Rather than LOVING the sinner and talking about the alleged sin, some (fewer and fewer) attack the person rather than discussing the MESSAGE, because they cannot do otherwise. Their theological message is flawed and a fantasy (Roman?, German?)...GOD, or ONE, is not and cannot be a MALE PERSON or any point or place in SPACE. IT ain't logical or LOGOS or in agreement with Moses or the early JEWS!!
I personally love Jesus, or more accurately, his MESSAGE of love, and (I tolerate) ALL people, even if he and others which I sometimes refer to may simply be MYTHs.
Has anyone ever wondered why there are no dates on all the letters, epistles, gospels, writings called "PROOF" of the existence of Jesus? God apparently passed on Earth and no one of his following recorded the dates of the events in "HIS" life? Then they call HIM "LORD". Why did he not write himself? Could he? Does his message have other earlier sources? (some claim that even the "sermon on the mount" is a re-hash of a series of old Egyptian aphorisms. Was Jesus original? Why did the TRINITY, making Jesus a "God", only begin to exist after Constantine, the Roman Emperor? Why do the Christians not call ONE (God) by the same name as the Jews, as Jesus and the apostles probably did? (Yahweh, LOGOS, Elohim) Why call what the Jews probably called "I am THAT I am" (Moses) or Yahweh ("IT that has no name, no form, etc.."), by the Germanic words GOD (Goth), the FATHER or even the lowly, LORD? Why is there a gender in the Christian ONE? Even Angels (myths?) have no gender, being spirits. That is not Jewish or Greek of the time but of a few centuries after the death of Jesus of Nazareth, called the Christ (Messiah)?
No answers to the questions, just attacks on the messenger? Is that not typical "RELIGIOUS" modus operandi?... At least in western Christianity, we have removed enough secular power from the religions (Christianity) so they can't kill us anymore in the name of their gothic (German) God. The other Religions such as the Muslims et al, of the descendants of Abrahan have to re-form so as to remove the power to kill from the hands of the so-call "religious" so that we the citizens, the PEOPLE can begin the dialogue that must take place as we reach what Michio Kaku, physicist, calls: "CIVILIZATION ONE", the GLOBAL SOCIETY!!
Apparently, one can OFFER one's hatred (sins) to JESUS so he can wash one's sins away and then atone (become at- one) with the sinner (apparently all of US). One should not push one's hatred on one's fellow pilgrim on this rugged road of LIFE...
JESUS WOULD NOT DO THAT!!
HOW LOVING!! See how they LOVE?
My heart, the pump for blood, is as soft and alive as everyone else's, even as the CHRISTIANS. That is another metaphor that is falsely taken "literally" by the "faith-based" belief systems. The heart is a PUMP, not the seat of our connection to the other world.
We are connected to ALL and are ONE with ALL everywhere and everywhen!! That is science, not religion!! There is not a greater connection at the heart than at the brain, or at the lowly rectum!! We are connected, and can't get out of ONE, the UNITY!!! What some call GOD!!
As JESUS, one can cry about hatred (probably as it is in one's own self) and cleanse oneself of it!!
4d-don
Monday, January 21, 2008
The Fool and the Wise
Taken from the Atheism, the Capital Man http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
LEN said:
The fool in his heart says "there is no God".
(len / 20/01/08 - 14:11)
4d-don said:
The Wise "PERSON" in his/her heart says: "I don't know what CREATED the ALL" But the Fool, reading bad translations of the writings of questionable characters who lived thousands of years ago and wrote in a "living" language, into the rigid and static "Germanic" languages, blindly accepts and repeats.
They even add "willy-nilly": "GOD said" (NOT TRUE..no one was there): "Let there be LIGHT", or, "In the beginning was the WORD" (from the greek "LOGOS"), rather than giving the "LOGOS "the original philosohipical meaning of "LOGIC as defined by Sound using WORDS". It is just a Gothic or GERMANIC RIGID translation for a SPIRITUAL or abstract intellectual concept.
In the French Christian Bible, this same line is translated as: "In the beginning was the VERB"... or the ACTION...Much more "living", dynamic and Romantic!
If there is a ONE or a UNITY, it is not represented in my life by the Gothic or Germanic personal "GOD" of the Mono-THEISTS but is more in agreement with the: "I AM THAT I AM" of Moses, or the "NOT THIS ,NOT THAT", of Buddhism, or the YAHWEH ("IT" that has no name, no form, etc..) of the JEWS. (Notice the statement of the ONE, the UNITY, as claimed by Moses is not: "I am WHO I am). "THAT" represents a "thing", a genderless spirit (rarified energy), or a "PRINCIPLE" or a LAW...or a science and is LOGICAL. The ONE, the UNITY of ALL, is LOGICAL and can be discussed by our "SCIENCE"...
The Gothic (Germanic) "GOD" is personified tribal EMOTIONALISM of the past, and is presented as a FAITH-BASED Mystery to be accepted blindly, taking away all LOGIC and placing LOGIC as "not to be trusted", and as the TOOL of the DEVIL or SATAN. Another polarizing and DIVIDING MYTH created by the RELIGIOUS manipulators of the Middle East or the Mediterranean area, the desert tribes, descendants of Abraham!!
Even the "GOD" of the "Deist" (for Deus, latin for GOD The CREATOR or the ORIGINATOR) is not involved in the day-to day working of IT' s (not a MALE) UNIVERSE and does not answer prayers and favour one of it's units of creation and hate another unit of it's creation. Such logic is more in agreement with the atheist's "NO GOD" stand, than with the Mono-THEIST's tribal "PERSONAL" fantasy.
Oh yes! And only THEY can save us from the DEVIL...And only THEY get to HEAVEN, a reward not gauged on GOOD deeds or a GOOD life but on wether one "confessed" one's sins before dying or believed in "THEIR" GOD who is now a TRINITY, Jesus, a man, having been place as the second person in that TRINITY by Constantine, ( the Roman Emperor, so as to become a Christian and thus, escape the effects of his sins) This the PAGANS did not accept. It's a system for "SINNERS" or "Johhny-do-wrongs" who want to sin till the end, claiming to be doing the "will of GOD"!
IN THE REAL UNIVERSE, there is apparently a just Law of "action and reaction", another faith-based belief when applied to "re-incarnation".
Wether PEOPLE or personalities, are subject to that LAW and carry the effects of their deeds in their spirit (rarified energy field) and then in their genes to the next "re-birth" is still in question!
NO PROOF YET!! JUST ANECDOTES...Let's not be fooled again by the religious myths of other cultures who INVADE our shores...
Don...
LEN said:
The fool in his heart says "there is no God".
(len / 20/01/08 - 14:11)
4d-don said:
The Wise "PERSON" in his/her heart says: "I don't know what CREATED the ALL" But the Fool, reading bad translations of the writings of questionable characters who lived thousands of years ago and wrote in a "living" language, into the rigid and static "Germanic" languages, blindly accepts and repeats.
They even add "willy-nilly": "GOD said" (NOT TRUE..no one was there): "Let there be LIGHT", or, "In the beginning was the WORD" (from the greek "LOGOS"), rather than giving the "LOGOS "the original philosohipical meaning of "LOGIC as defined by Sound using WORDS". It is just a Gothic or GERMANIC RIGID translation for a SPIRITUAL or abstract intellectual concept.
In the French Christian Bible, this same line is translated as: "In the beginning was the VERB"... or the ACTION...Much more "living", dynamic and Romantic!
If there is a ONE or a UNITY, it is not represented in my life by the Gothic or Germanic personal "GOD" of the Mono-THEISTS but is more in agreement with the: "I AM THAT I AM" of Moses, or the "NOT THIS ,NOT THAT", of Buddhism, or the YAHWEH ("IT" that has no name, no form, etc..) of the JEWS. (Notice the statement of the ONE, the UNITY, as claimed by Moses is not: "I am WHO I am). "THAT" represents a "thing", a genderless spirit (rarified energy), or a "PRINCIPLE" or a LAW...or a science and is LOGICAL. The ONE, the UNITY of ALL, is LOGICAL and can be discussed by our "SCIENCE"...
The Gothic (Germanic) "GOD" is personified tribal EMOTIONALISM of the past, and is presented as a FAITH-BASED Mystery to be accepted blindly, taking away all LOGIC and placing LOGIC as "not to be trusted", and as the TOOL of the DEVIL or SATAN. Another polarizing and DIVIDING MYTH created by the RELIGIOUS manipulators of the Middle East or the Mediterranean area, the desert tribes, descendants of Abraham!!
Even the "GOD" of the "Deist" (for Deus, latin for GOD The CREATOR or the ORIGINATOR) is not involved in the day-to day working of IT' s (not a MALE) UNIVERSE and does not answer prayers and favour one of it's units of creation and hate another unit of it's creation. Such logic is more in agreement with the atheist's "NO GOD" stand, than with the Mono-THEIST's tribal "PERSONAL" fantasy.
Oh yes! And only THEY can save us from the DEVIL...And only THEY get to HEAVEN, a reward not gauged on GOOD deeds or a GOOD life but on wether one "confessed" one's sins before dying or believed in "THEIR" GOD who is now a TRINITY, Jesus, a man, having been place as the second person in that TRINITY by Constantine, ( the Roman Emperor, so as to become a Christian and thus, escape the effects of his sins) This the PAGANS did not accept. It's a system for "SINNERS" or "Johhny-do-wrongs" who want to sin till the end, claiming to be doing the "will of GOD"!
IN THE REAL UNIVERSE, there is apparently a just Law of "action and reaction", another faith-based belief when applied to "re-incarnation".
Wether PEOPLE or personalities, are subject to that LAW and carry the effects of their deeds in their spirit (rarified energy field) and then in their genes to the next "re-birth" is still in question!
NO PROOF YET!! JUST ANECDOTES...Let's not be fooled again by the religious myths of other cultures who INVADE our shores...
Don...
Wednesday, January 16, 2008
Thank God I Found This Site
This was on the Atheist site called: Atheism, The Capital Man
I thought is was so funny that I replied to it even thought the comment was in the "guest book" comments section and not a "chat line"
Skepticist Said:
Thank God I found this site. Sorry about that verbal slip. Marx put it best: religion is the opiate of the masses. Today television is a close second. Nice to be here. Tanks!
(skepticist / 14/01/08 - 05:56)
4d-don Said:
"Thank God I found this site."
That's priceless! lol ;-))
Is there a comedian out there? A spiritual/humanist satirist? The title of this site: "The CAPITAL Man" also has some satire or "other forms of communication" potential."
The "slip" certainly works on "polarity" and draws the "Poles of opposites (theist/atheist) closer together through the logical/illogical expression of an emotion (relief) or a "verbal slip"...or is it a "slip" at all? Are there MISTAKES in GOD? or in the UNIVERSE?. Were we meant to come here to this site? It has a dis-armingly beautiful symetry!
Luck is but a law un-recognized!! So is destiny.
Still many missing links in logic as well as in genetics, and as well as in the "GOD and Creation" theories...Re-incarnation is an attempt to explain "suffering" and “luck or talent” in one lifetime, with deeds, sinful/virtuous in another past lifetime or across TIME and/or from energy (spiritual) to genetics, but it soon drifts into "elitism" with the elite defining the process rather than the ALL that is "consciousness". All points of consciousness hold a part of the "answer". No one point or series of points holds all the ANSWER, all the TIME...there is an "uncertainty" principle at work here also. The UNIVERSE loves DIVERSITY and DYNAMISM or CHANGE and TRANSFORMATION!
Laughter is GOLDEN!! ;-))
Let's see how soon this "meme" that inavertently crept into our "WORLD" creates reflections and how soon we hear it spoken or see it written "elsewhere"? Is it a conspiracy? The Aquarian Conspiracy in REALITY...
It's MAGIC, MAN!!
I thought is was so funny that I replied to it even thought the comment was in the "guest book" comments section and not a "chat line"
Skepticist Said:
Thank God I found this site. Sorry about that verbal slip. Marx put it best: religion is the opiate of the masses. Today television is a close second. Nice to be here. Tanks!
(skepticist / 14/01/08 - 05:56)
4d-don Said:
"Thank God I found this site."
That's priceless! lol ;-))
Is there a comedian out there? A spiritual/humanist satirist? The title of this site: "The CAPITAL Man" also has some satire or "other forms of communication" potential."
The "slip" certainly works on "polarity" and draws the "Poles of opposites (theist/atheist) closer together through the logical/illogical expression of an emotion (relief) or a "verbal slip"...or is it a "slip" at all? Are there MISTAKES in GOD? or in the UNIVERSE?. Were we meant to come here to this site? It has a dis-armingly beautiful symetry!
Luck is but a law un-recognized!! So is destiny.
Still many missing links in logic as well as in genetics, and as well as in the "GOD and Creation" theories...Re-incarnation is an attempt to explain "suffering" and “luck or talent” in one lifetime, with deeds, sinful/virtuous in another past lifetime or across TIME and/or from energy (spiritual) to genetics, but it soon drifts into "elitism" with the elite defining the process rather than the ALL that is "consciousness". All points of consciousness hold a part of the "answer". No one point or series of points holds all the ANSWER, all the TIME...there is an "uncertainty" principle at work here also. The UNIVERSE loves DIVERSITY and DYNAMISM or CHANGE and TRANSFORMATION!
Laughter is GOLDEN!! ;-))
Let's see how soon this "meme" that inavertently crept into our "WORLD" creates reflections and how soon we hear it spoken or see it written "elsewhere"? Is it a conspiracy? The Aquarian Conspiracy in REALITY...
It's MAGIC, MAN!!
Thursday, December 6, 2007
Infinity and Eternity to a Theist, a Deist and an Atheist
Infinity and Eternity to a Theist, a Deist and an Atheist...
Since we are already above our heads, the "conditional" "tense" is the one to use so as to avoid any dogmatism.
The mathematical "Infinity" can have a beginning but no end. The religious and philosophical "Eternity" has no beginning and no end, and is commonly thought of as "existence outside of Time". Although MOTION (measured by the tape measure called TIME) and MATTER (measured in METERS) (aka: the physical or crystal Universe), have a beginning according to religious scriptures, but no end as yet, MATTER and the "measuring tape" of MOTION that is "TIME", could be infinite. MOTION and SPACE on the other hand, could be Eternal and not need a "first cause" and be a product of geometry. A ball near the top of a hill does not need a "pusher" to get it started. The Eternal ONE, the UNITY (a principle, not a person), could be eternal perfection or perfect geometry "in MOTION" and could create the physical Universe from and of MOTION. The hill mentioned above could be described as a tendency or potentiality towards ONE or UNITY using "attractive gravity", complemented by a state I call "the Many" or "diversity "(as we see REALITY today), or the ALL (to bring in a concept of UNITY or ONE) using a "repulsive gravity", thus making gravity a real "FORCE" with an attractive and a repulsive state.
The quantum soup at the small end of the quantum theory could also be present and at work at the cosmic "multiverse" level, and our space (Universe) would constantly be merging with other smaller or larger Universes, as in a boiling pot of water where one bubble (universe) swallows another smaller bubble and becomes larger without the process destroying the smaller bubble but giving it more SPACE or a larger and longer "existence". (see the Kybalion published by the Yogi Publication Society at the Masonic Temple, Chicago, Ill. USA (1912) : "as below, the same above")
A theist, being generally "monotheistic" these days, believes in ONE (what some call GOD), Who (a person not the "I AM THAT I AM" of Moses in the Judeo-Christian Bible) is sometimes divided in two (Duality), or three-(Trinity) aspects, and HE is involved in the daily workings of His (male) Universe. HE (male) answers prayers and favours some of his "children" with blessings (luck and victories) and others with trials (sufferings, bad luck, and defeats). HE (male) has emotions, gets angry, is pleased and please-able by his creation, etc... The theist believes in that God as being ETERNAL, and having "no beginning and no end" unlike "HIS" (male) Universe which has a "beginning" and is hence a "CREATION" of that monotheist Deity (Deus) called GOD by the Germanic tribes of old, and their modern descendants.
But in many monotheistic (Christian) prayers that end with: "world without end, Amen!", that "world" that was created at a point in Space and TIME (or at ALL SPACETIMES at once), by ONE (the involved GOD) so must have a beginning, we are now told, has "no end". That Space/Time, and the energy/matter in the Universe have no end is generally accepted by theists, deists and atheists alike, and we can safely say that all can be said to be "infinite". But "eternal"? Not necessarily.
The "theistic" belief system is supported, theists claim, by the "theory" of the BIG BANG in cosmology, the Big Bang being a representation of the scriptural "Creation". From NO-THING, magically appears SOME-THING created by the commands of this "GODMAN" person or Spirit called Yahweh/Elohim, and later Deus (Roman - latin), and God (Goth-Germanic-English). This (the Big Bang) is called a "scientific" theory and it can explain some aspects of the data collected about the cosmic physical Universe but not the "Beginning" of this Universe.
But the theist's Universe that has "no end" and is therefore "endless", but was created by "GOD" and hence has a "beginning", can not truly be called an "ETERNAL" world but it can be more accurately called an "infinite" world. An Eternal world or UNIVERSE would have "no beginning (so no creation) AND no end". The theist's ONE (GOD) can be "eternal" but HIS (MALE) Creations: the universe, heaven, hell, purgatory, limbo, etc. having a scriptural beginning (creation) but no end, are more accurately called "infinite", not "eternal".
For the theists to quote apocalyptic scriptures and to use the fear mechanism of "the end of the world" with its "rapture" for the "favoured", and the damnation of "hell for eternity" for the rejected, does not compute rationally, not to question the "justice" of such an "eternal reward" and/or an "eternal punishment". To claim to know the time of such cosmic destruction of "EVERYTHING" from Scriptures and/revelation is fantasy that borders on megalomania and "psychosis". The Universe, as we have seen, can not be called ETERNAL according to religious scriptures but now, HEAVEN and HELL are supposed to be (eternal) according to some other Holy Scriptures (Judeo-Christian). But heaven and hell must have a beginning and must have been, at some past time, the creations of that same ONE (the involved GOD) and hence must, at most, be "infinite", and not "ETERNAL". Anything that has a beginning but has no end is not called ETERNAL but "infinite". One can say that heaven and hell go on for "infinity". To be eternal, they would have to have existed before the creations of the ONE (what some call GOD), before the "sins" were committed by IT's CREATURES. What came first, the theist's ONE (God) with HIS favoured: virtue/sin, or HIS punishement: heaven/hell?
To a Deist, ONE is not involved in the working of ITS (Neuter) Universe and is more a principle, a process or a LAW. Being a process, IT can TRANS-FORM ITSELF from Spirit form, to mental form, to energy form, and even to plasma, gas, liquid, and crystaline form (the material world) and can BE the UNIVERSE, and not just be the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE. The Deist ONE CAN BE the UNIVERSAL process that forms the UNI-VERSE through MOTION (trans-formation of ITSELF). ("uni=one "verse"-as in a song or a poem) . To a Deist, the cosmological Multiverse theory and/or the absence of a "Singularity" or a "BIG BANG" does not pose a "theological" problem.
Both Infinity and Eternity are commonly thought of as "endless" by all.
The DEIST (from latin:Deus-God uninvolved, as in a PRINCIPLE) at this stage of the discussion, is more adaptable than the THEIST (greek: Theos-God as a PERSON, directly involved), and is almost as rational as an ATHEIST.
Is there such a thing as an "a-Deist" out there opposing Deism? I don't think so! There is no "need"!
It is the "THEIST", or THEISM that needs a RE-FORMATION and a REALITY check! It's TIME to take off the "rose-colored" glasses and check out the "MAGIC" and "FANTASY" in all belief systems before they bring about and make a reality of their divisiveness to the point of demonizing and attacking and even destruction (war) of their detracters, or their self-fulfilling prophesy of the "end of the World"...which is another fantasy that they could make happen since the advent of the nuclear age!
The "BORN AGAIN" (read: FUNDAMENTALIST or LITERALIST) need to be "FORMED AGAIN"!
If there is such a thing as a rarified state of matter/energy beyond "mental" or "intellectual" energy, called "SPIRIT", then "we" are IT also, and hence, "we" have the Spirituality, and obviously the refined "intellect", as the Theist relies on "FAITH", and has rejected or suspended intellect. If there is a "trans-formation" or a "re-formation" to be had we the "non-believers", the "outsiders", or the "damned" as the RELIGIOUS call us, or as I call us, the "true believers in REALITY", can help make it happen...We can do it!
Just expose and question! Don't accept Fantasy, Magic or Mystery as THE Answer! TRUE REALITY IS MAGICAL ENOUGH! WE ARE THE INFONAUTS! LOGIC is our TOOL. ONE or UNITY IS SIMPLE! SO IS ETERNAL SPACEMOTION!
As Jean-Luc Picard of the Star Ship Enterprise (a fantasy) said: MAKE IT SO!
or AMEN! ;-))
My imaging of the concept of the 2 sides of the 2 dimensional LOGOS (logic) PYRAMID: (in latin)
In excelsis, ex Uno Pluria
(In the highest, from ONE, many)
In excelsis, e pluribus Unuum
(In the highest, from many, ONE)
The theist would say:
In excelsis Deo!
In other words: DON'T THINK! Just Believe what we say! or be Damned!
I placed the words above in a "Christmas song" called "The Bells Of Christmas Day".
THE BELLS OF CHRISTMAS DAY
By 4d-Don (SOCAN)
Key of E (Capo 2....Play D) in 4/4 Time-Folk
(Notes inside Brackets are walking base runs-a 3-note intro base run starting on an D-E-F# note capoed at 2nd fret. Starting note and chord is D(A)
D(A) D(G) D(F#) D(E) G(D) G(F#) A7(E) A7(A) A-B-C#
I hear the bells of Christmas day
D(D) A7(E) Bm(F#) G(D) A(F#) A(E) D(F#) D(D) D-E-F#
Although there are no stee ples around
D(A)D(G)D(F#) D(E) G(D) G(F#) A7(E) A7(A) A-B-C#
And all of na ture bids me stay
D(D) A7(E) Bm(F#) G(G) A(F#)A(E) D(D) D(D) D(D) D-E-F#
To live in har mo ny and join in the Sound
CHORUS
D D(F#) G A
Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong
D A7(E) Bm/F# G F#m(F#) A(E) D D
In ex cel sis ex u - no pluria
D D (F#) G A
Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong
D A7(E) Bm/F# G A(F#) A(E ) D D
In ex cel sis e pluri bus unum
I pray the stars light Bethleem
I pray the city lights don't burn you down
I pray the world one day unites
To live in harmony and join in the Sound
I pray for Peace in New Salem (Jerusalem)
I pray the Gods of War, don’t burn it down
I pray in Peace we all abide
And live in harmony and join in the Sound
I pray for joy throughout the year
I pray the sounds of joy don’t drown out the tears
I Pray in light we all abound
And sing in harmony and join in the Sound.
For more...see my comments on: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Since we are already above our heads, the "conditional" "tense" is the one to use so as to avoid any dogmatism.
The mathematical "Infinity" can have a beginning but no end. The religious and philosophical "Eternity" has no beginning and no end, and is commonly thought of as "existence outside of Time". Although MOTION (measured by the tape measure called TIME) and MATTER (measured in METERS) (aka: the physical or crystal Universe), have a beginning according to religious scriptures, but no end as yet, MATTER and the "measuring tape" of MOTION that is "TIME", could be infinite. MOTION and SPACE on the other hand, could be Eternal and not need a "first cause" and be a product of geometry. A ball near the top of a hill does not need a "pusher" to get it started. The Eternal ONE, the UNITY (a principle, not a person), could be eternal perfection or perfect geometry "in MOTION" and could create the physical Universe from and of MOTION. The hill mentioned above could be described as a tendency or potentiality towards ONE or UNITY using "attractive gravity", complemented by a state I call "the Many" or "diversity "(as we see REALITY today), or the ALL (to bring in a concept of UNITY or ONE) using a "repulsive gravity", thus making gravity a real "FORCE" with an attractive and a repulsive state.
The quantum soup at the small end of the quantum theory could also be present and at work at the cosmic "multiverse" level, and our space (Universe) would constantly be merging with other smaller or larger Universes, as in a boiling pot of water where one bubble (universe) swallows another smaller bubble and becomes larger without the process destroying the smaller bubble but giving it more SPACE or a larger and longer "existence". (see the Kybalion published by the Yogi Publication Society at the Masonic Temple, Chicago, Ill. USA (1912) : "as below, the same above")
A theist, being generally "monotheistic" these days, believes in ONE (what some call GOD), Who (a person not the "I AM THAT I AM" of Moses in the Judeo-Christian Bible) is sometimes divided in two (Duality), or three-(Trinity) aspects, and HE is involved in the daily workings of His (male) Universe. HE (male) answers prayers and favours some of his "children" with blessings (luck and victories) and others with trials (sufferings, bad luck, and defeats). HE (male) has emotions, gets angry, is pleased and please-able by his creation, etc... The theist believes in that God as being ETERNAL, and having "no beginning and no end" unlike "HIS" (male) Universe which has a "beginning" and is hence a "CREATION" of that monotheist Deity (Deus) called GOD by the Germanic tribes of old, and their modern descendants.
But in many monotheistic (Christian) prayers that end with: "world without end, Amen!", that "world" that was created at a point in Space and TIME (or at ALL SPACETIMES at once), by ONE (the involved GOD) so must have a beginning, we are now told, has "no end". That Space/Time, and the energy/matter in the Universe have no end is generally accepted by theists, deists and atheists alike, and we can safely say that all can be said to be "infinite". But "eternal"? Not necessarily.
The "theistic" belief system is supported, theists claim, by the "theory" of the BIG BANG in cosmology, the Big Bang being a representation of the scriptural "Creation". From NO-THING, magically appears SOME-THING created by the commands of this "GODMAN" person or Spirit called Yahweh/Elohim, and later Deus (Roman - latin), and God (Goth-Germanic-English). This (the Big Bang) is called a "scientific" theory and it can explain some aspects of the data collected about the cosmic physical Universe but not the "Beginning" of this Universe.
But the theist's Universe that has "no end" and is therefore "endless", but was created by "GOD" and hence has a "beginning", can not truly be called an "ETERNAL" world but it can be more accurately called an "infinite" world. An Eternal world or UNIVERSE would have "no beginning (so no creation) AND no end". The theist's ONE (GOD) can be "eternal" but HIS (MALE) Creations: the universe, heaven, hell, purgatory, limbo, etc. having a scriptural beginning (creation) but no end, are more accurately called "infinite", not "eternal".
For the theists to quote apocalyptic scriptures and to use the fear mechanism of "the end of the world" with its "rapture" for the "favoured", and the damnation of "hell for eternity" for the rejected, does not compute rationally, not to question the "justice" of such an "eternal reward" and/or an "eternal punishment". To claim to know the time of such cosmic destruction of "EVERYTHING" from Scriptures and/revelation is fantasy that borders on megalomania and "psychosis". The Universe, as we have seen, can not be called ETERNAL according to religious scriptures but now, HEAVEN and HELL are supposed to be (eternal) according to some other Holy Scriptures (Judeo-Christian). But heaven and hell must have a beginning and must have been, at some past time, the creations of that same ONE (the involved GOD) and hence must, at most, be "infinite", and not "ETERNAL". Anything that has a beginning but has no end is not called ETERNAL but "infinite". One can say that heaven and hell go on for "infinity". To be eternal, they would have to have existed before the creations of the ONE (what some call GOD), before the "sins" were committed by IT's CREATURES. What came first, the theist's ONE (God) with HIS favoured: virtue/sin, or HIS punishement: heaven/hell?
To a Deist, ONE is not involved in the working of ITS (Neuter) Universe and is more a principle, a process or a LAW. Being a process, IT can TRANS-FORM ITSELF from Spirit form, to mental form, to energy form, and even to plasma, gas, liquid, and crystaline form (the material world) and can BE the UNIVERSE, and not just be the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE. The Deist ONE CAN BE the UNIVERSAL process that forms the UNI-VERSE through MOTION (trans-formation of ITSELF). ("uni=one "verse"-as in a song or a poem) . To a Deist, the cosmological Multiverse theory and/or the absence of a "Singularity" or a "BIG BANG" does not pose a "theological" problem.
Both Infinity and Eternity are commonly thought of as "endless" by all.
The DEIST (from latin:Deus-God uninvolved, as in a PRINCIPLE) at this stage of the discussion, is more adaptable than the THEIST (greek: Theos-God as a PERSON, directly involved), and is almost as rational as an ATHEIST.
Is there such a thing as an "a-Deist" out there opposing Deism? I don't think so! There is no "need"!
It is the "THEIST", or THEISM that needs a RE-FORMATION and a REALITY check! It's TIME to take off the "rose-colored" glasses and check out the "MAGIC" and "FANTASY" in all belief systems before they bring about and make a reality of their divisiveness to the point of demonizing and attacking and even destruction (war) of their detracters, or their self-fulfilling prophesy of the "end of the World"...which is another fantasy that they could make happen since the advent of the nuclear age!
The "BORN AGAIN" (read: FUNDAMENTALIST or LITERALIST) need to be "FORMED AGAIN"!
If there is such a thing as a rarified state of matter/energy beyond "mental" or "intellectual" energy, called "SPIRIT", then "we" are IT also, and hence, "we" have the Spirituality, and obviously the refined "intellect", as the Theist relies on "FAITH", and has rejected or suspended intellect. If there is a "trans-formation" or a "re-formation" to be had we the "non-believers", the "outsiders", or the "damned" as the RELIGIOUS call us, or as I call us, the "true believers in REALITY", can help make it happen...We can do it!
Just expose and question! Don't accept Fantasy, Magic or Mystery as THE Answer! TRUE REALITY IS MAGICAL ENOUGH! WE ARE THE INFONAUTS! LOGIC is our TOOL. ONE or UNITY IS SIMPLE! SO IS ETERNAL SPACEMOTION!
As Jean-Luc Picard of the Star Ship Enterprise (a fantasy) said: MAKE IT SO!
or AMEN! ;-))
My imaging of the concept of the 2 sides of the 2 dimensional LOGOS (logic) PYRAMID: (in latin)
In excelsis, ex Uno Pluria
(In the highest, from ONE, many)
In excelsis, e pluribus Unuum
(In the highest, from many, ONE)
The theist would say:
In excelsis Deo!
In other words: DON'T THINK! Just Believe what we say! or be Damned!
I placed the words above in a "Christmas song" called "The Bells Of Christmas Day".
THE BELLS OF CHRISTMAS DAY
By 4d-Don (SOCAN)
Key of E (Capo 2....Play D) in 4/4 Time-Folk
(Notes inside Brackets are walking base runs-a 3-note intro base run starting on an D-E-F# note capoed at 2nd fret. Starting note and chord is D(A)
D(A) D(G) D(F#) D(E) G(D) G(F#) A7(E) A7(A) A-B-C#
I hear the bells of Christmas day
D(D) A7(E) Bm(F#) G(D) A(F#) A(E) D(F#) D(D) D-E-F#
Although there are no stee ples around
D(A)D(G)D(F#) D(E) G(D) G(F#) A7(E) A7(A) A-B-C#
And all of na ture bids me stay
D(D) A7(E) Bm(F#) G(G) A(F#)A(E) D(D) D(D) D(D) D-E-F#
To live in har mo ny and join in the Sound
CHORUS
D D(F#) G A
Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong
D A7(E) Bm/F# G F#m(F#) A(E) D D
In ex cel sis ex u - no pluria
D D (F#) G A
Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong
D A7(E) Bm/F# G A(F#) A(E ) D D
In ex cel sis e pluri bus unum
I pray the stars light Bethleem
I pray the city lights don't burn you down
I pray the world one day unites
To live in harmony and join in the Sound
I pray for Peace in New Salem (Jerusalem)
I pray the Gods of War, don’t burn it down
I pray in Peace we all abide
And live in harmony and join in the Sound
I pray for joy throughout the year
I pray the sounds of joy don’t drown out the tears
I Pray in light we all abound
And sing in harmony and join in the Sound.
For more...see my comments on: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm
Thursday, November 29, 2007
Theism and Deism
This is from a comment on: Atheism, the Capital Man
For those who are not familiar with the terms, a Theist (God in Greek-Theos) believes in a God who is "involved" with His creation. This is usually a Male God, often "plural, originating for the western cultures in the desert, nomadic, and later farming cultures of the Near East and Asia.
A Deist (God in Latin-Deus) believes in an intelligent Deity that is un-involved in the daily workings of "ITS" (Neuter) creation. For some, the Deity (latin-Deus) is a process, or a principle such as LOGIC (Greek-LOGOS as in Biblical John 1).
The latin, "Deus", was later translated to G-O-D or Gott by the Gothic (Germanic) Empire theologians who already had their name for the DIVINITY: Goth, Gott, and then the English G-O-D.
That is the same Gothic (Germanic) Empire that sacked Rome in the 4th century (After the Common Era (ACE)). The Goths were at that time being displaced from their homelands by the Huns of "Attila the Hun" fame. This was right after Constantine, with his Council of Nicea, had Christ placed as part of the "Trinity of The ONE (God)" as the second "person", the son of GOD, and "WHO" (a person) was there with the ONE (a number), LOGOS (logic), Yahweh/Elohim (I Am that I am....no name, no form) at the BEGINNING of TIME. This was done so Constantine could become a Christian and have his sins "forgiven" and thus avoid his "cause and effect" debt for the crimes of killing many of his family. That was a belief of the Pagans.
The folowers of Egyptian Bishop Arius (Arians-synchronistically similar to "aryans" of the later Nazis) rejected and opposed this theology at the Council of Nicea. This was seen as a corruption of the philosophical "ONE" God of Monotheism and the Duality (two) of other cultures (Zoroastrian) and into a TRINITY (three). Later the Goth would also reject this "Constantinean" theology but would later relinquish (flip-flop for political reasons?) and become "adherents" to the Nicene Creed (For Nicean Council of Constantine, Emperor of Rome)
A Deist is closer to an a-theist. A theist is closer to Magic and Fantasy.
In the Catholic Church philosophy and theology, that would be reflected in the views of Thomas Aquinas, follower of Aristotle and the Greek Atomists, versus Augustine, follower of Plato and his world view.
This is the Thomas Aquinas (supported and inspired by such philosopher as Rene Descartes (of "I think therfore I am" fame) , and Roger Bacon), who can be credited for the undermining of Church/State dictatorial control that brought about the "Protestant REFORMATION" of the Roman Catholic PYRAMID and freed the intelligentia, the scientific community, and that ushered in the Age of Reason, and the other physical revolutions, industrial revolution, the baron's revolution and the Magna Carta, French Revolution (petit bourgeois), Workers revolutions (unions) , and finally the electrical revolution, the quantum revolution, the electronics revolutions and the "information AGE"...And the INFONAUTS....
Other Theistic cultures and Theocracies also need their Reformation so as to move away from MAGIC and FANTASY to an "intelligent" and Logical ONE (number) or UNITY.
ONE (Deity) CAN'T BE A PERSON! To accept ONE or UNITY as a PROCESS or a PRINCIPLE, not a PERSON, would place the theists at the corrective decision point in the LOOP their "idols" (leaders) took centuries ago and again some many more centuries ago.
If theists (monotheists) accept FANTASY and MAGIC again, they should not expect a DIFFERENT RESULT as from the LAST TIME will they? That would define "INSANITY" would it not?
Faith (blind faith) inevitable leads to violence and even WAR!
For those who are not familiar with the terms, a Theist (God in Greek-Theos) believes in a God who is "involved" with His creation. This is usually a Male God, often "plural, originating for the western cultures in the desert, nomadic, and later farming cultures of the Near East and Asia.
A Deist (God in Latin-Deus) believes in an intelligent Deity that is un-involved in the daily workings of "ITS" (Neuter) creation. For some, the Deity (latin-Deus) is a process, or a principle such as LOGIC (Greek-LOGOS as in Biblical John 1).
The latin, "Deus", was later translated to G-O-D or Gott by the Gothic (Germanic) Empire theologians who already had their name for the DIVINITY: Goth, Gott, and then the English G-O-D.
That is the same Gothic (Germanic) Empire that sacked Rome in the 4th century (After the Common Era (ACE)). The Goths were at that time being displaced from their homelands by the Huns of "Attila the Hun" fame. This was right after Constantine, with his Council of Nicea, had Christ placed as part of the "Trinity of The ONE (God)" as the second "person", the son of GOD, and "WHO" (a person) was there with the ONE (a number), LOGOS (logic), Yahweh/Elohim (I Am that I am....no name, no form) at the BEGINNING of TIME. This was done so Constantine could become a Christian and have his sins "forgiven" and thus avoid his "cause and effect" debt for the crimes of killing many of his family. That was a belief of the Pagans.
The folowers of Egyptian Bishop Arius (Arians-synchronistically similar to "aryans" of the later Nazis) rejected and opposed this theology at the Council of Nicea. This was seen as a corruption of the philosophical "ONE" God of Monotheism and the Duality (two) of other cultures (Zoroastrian) and into a TRINITY (three). Later the Goth would also reject this "Constantinean" theology but would later relinquish (flip-flop for political reasons?) and become "adherents" to the Nicene Creed (For Nicean Council of Constantine, Emperor of Rome)
A Deist is closer to an a-theist. A theist is closer to Magic and Fantasy.
In the Catholic Church philosophy and theology, that would be reflected in the views of Thomas Aquinas, follower of Aristotle and the Greek Atomists, versus Augustine, follower of Plato and his world view.
This is the Thomas Aquinas (supported and inspired by such philosopher as Rene Descartes (of "I think therfore I am" fame) , and Roger Bacon), who can be credited for the undermining of Church/State dictatorial control that brought about the "Protestant REFORMATION" of the Roman Catholic PYRAMID and freed the intelligentia, the scientific community, and that ushered in the Age of Reason, and the other physical revolutions, industrial revolution, the baron's revolution and the Magna Carta, French Revolution (petit bourgeois), Workers revolutions (unions) , and finally the electrical revolution, the quantum revolution, the electronics revolutions and the "information AGE"...And the INFONAUTS....
Other Theistic cultures and Theocracies also need their Reformation so as to move away from MAGIC and FANTASY to an "intelligent" and Logical ONE (number) or UNITY.
ONE (Deity) CAN'T BE A PERSON! To accept ONE or UNITY as a PROCESS or a PRINCIPLE, not a PERSON, would place the theists at the corrective decision point in the LOOP their "idols" (leaders) took centuries ago and again some many more centuries ago.
If theists (monotheists) accept FANTASY and MAGIC again, they should not expect a DIFFERENT RESULT as from the LAST TIME will they? That would define "INSANITY" would it not?
Faith (blind faith) inevitable leads to violence and even WAR!
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