Infinity and Eternity to a Theist, a Deist and an Atheist

Infinity and Eternity to a Theist, a Deist and an Atheist...

Since we are already above our heads, the "conditional" "tense" is the one to use so as to avoid any dogmatism.

The mathematical "Infinity" can have a beginning but no end. The religious and philosophical "Eternity" has no beginning and no end, and is commonly thought of as "existence outside of Time". Although MOTION (measured by the tape measure called TIME) and MATTER (measured in METERS) (aka: the physical or crystal Universe), have a beginning according to religious scriptures, but no end as yet, MATTER and the "measuring tape" of MOTION that is "TIME", could be infinite. MOTION and SPACE on the other hand, could be Eternal and not need a "first cause" and be a product of geometry. A ball near the top of a hill does not need a "pusher" to get it started. The Eternal ONE, the UNITY (a principle, not a person), could be eternal perfection or perfect geometry "in MOTION" and could create the physical Universe from and of MOTION. The hill mentioned above could be described as a tendency or potentiality towards ONE or UNITY using "attractive gravity", complemented by a state I call "the Many" or "diversity "(as we see REALITY today), or the ALL (to bring in a concept of UNITY or ONE) using a "repulsive gravity", thus making gravity a real "FORCE" with an attractive and a repulsive state.

The quantum soup at the small end of the quantum theory could also be present and at work at the cosmic "multiverse" level, and our space (Universe) would constantly be merging with other smaller or larger Universes, as in a boiling pot of water where one bubble (universe) swallows another smaller bubble and becomes larger without the process destroying the smaller bubble but giving it more SPACE or a larger and longer "existence". (see the Kybalion published by the Yogi Publication Society at the Masonic Temple, Chicago, Ill. USA (1912) : "as below, the same above")

A theist, being generally "monotheistic" these days, believes in ONE (what some call GOD), Who (a person not the "I AM THAT I AM" of Moses in the Judeo-Christian Bible) is sometimes divided in two (Duality), or three-(Trinity) aspects, and HE is involved in the daily workings of His (male) Universe. HE (male) answers prayers and favours some of his "children" with blessings (luck and victories) and others with trials (sufferings, bad luck, and defeats). HE (male) has emotions, gets angry, is pleased and please-able by his creation, etc... The theist believes in that God as being ETERNAL, and having "no beginning and no end" unlike "HIS" (male) Universe which has a "beginning" and is hence a "CREATION" of that monotheist Deity (Deus) called GOD by the Germanic tribes of old, and their modern descendants.

But in many monotheistic (Christian) prayers that end with: "world without end, Amen!", that "world" that was created at a point in Space and TIME (or at ALL SPACETIMES at once), by ONE (the involved GOD) so must have a beginning, we are now told, has "no end". That Space/Time, and the energy/matter in the Universe have no end is generally accepted by theists, deists and atheists alike, and we can safely say that all can be said to be "infinite". But "eternal"? Not necessarily.

The "theistic" belief system is supported, theists claim, by the "theory" of the BIG BANG in cosmology, the Big Bang being a representation of the scriptural "Creation". From NO-THING, magically appears SOME-THING created by the commands of this "GODMAN" person or Spirit called Yahweh/Elohim, and later Deus (Roman - latin), and God (Goth-Germanic-English). This (the Big Bang) is called a "scientific" theory and it can explain some aspects of the data collected about the cosmic physical Universe but not the "Beginning" of this Universe.

But the theist's Universe that has "no end" and is therefore "endless", but was created by "GOD" and hence has a "beginning", can not truly be called an "ETERNAL" world but it can be more accurately called an "infinite" world. An Eternal world or UNIVERSE would have "no beginning (so no creation) AND no end". The theist's ONE (GOD) can be "eternal" but HIS (MALE) Creations: the universe, heaven, hell, purgatory, limbo, etc. having a scriptural beginning (creation) but no end, are more accurately called "infinite", not "eternal".

For the theists to quote apocalyptic scriptures and to use the fear mechanism of "the end of the world" with its "rapture" for the "favoured", and the damnation of "hell for eternity" for the rejected, does not compute rationally, not to question the "justice" of such an "eternal reward" and/or an "eternal punishment". To claim to know the time of such cosmic destruction of "EVERYTHING" from Scriptures and/revelation is fantasy that borders on megalomania and "psychosis". The Universe, as we have seen, can not be called ETERNAL according to religious scriptures but now, HEAVEN and HELL are supposed to be (eternal) according to some other Holy Scriptures (Judeo-Christian). But heaven and hell must have a beginning and must have been, at some past time, the creations of that same ONE (the involved GOD) and hence must, at most, be "infinite", and not "ETERNAL". Anything that has a beginning but has no end is not called ETERNAL but "infinite". One can say that heaven and hell go on for "infinity". To be eternal, they would have to have existed before the creations of the ONE (what some call GOD), before the "sins" were committed by IT's CREATURES. What came first, the theist's ONE (God) with HIS favoured: virtue/sin, or HIS punishement: heaven/hell?

To a Deist, ONE is not involved in the working of ITS (Neuter) Universe and is more a principle, a process or a LAW. Being a process, IT can TRANS-FORM ITSELF from Spirit form, to mental form, to energy form, and even to plasma, gas, liquid, and crystaline form (the material world) and can BE the UNIVERSE, and not just be the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE. The Deist ONE CAN BE the UNIVERSAL process that forms the UNI-VERSE through MOTION (trans-formation of ITSELF). ("uni=one "verse"-as in a song or a poem) . To a Deist, the cosmological Multiverse theory and/or the absence of a "Singularity" or a "BIG BANG" does not pose a "theological" problem.

Both Infinity and Eternity are commonly thought of as "endless" by all.

The DEIST (from latin:Deus-God uninvolved, as in a PRINCIPLE) at this stage of the discussion, is more adaptable than the THEIST (greek: Theos-God as a PERSON, directly involved), and is almost as rational as an ATHEIST.

Is there such a thing as an "a-Deist" out there opposing Deism? I don't think so! There is no "need"!

It is the "THEIST", or THEISM that needs a RE-FORMATION and a REALITY check! It's TIME to take off the "rose-colored" glasses and check out the "MAGIC" and "FANTASY" in all belief systems before they bring about and make a reality of their divisiveness to the point of demonizing and attacking and even destruction (war) of their detracters, or their self-fulfilling prophesy of the "end of the World"...which is another fantasy that they could make happen since the advent of the nuclear age!

The "BORN AGAIN" (read: FUNDAMENTALIST or LITERALIST) need to be "FORMED AGAIN"!

If there is such a thing as a rarified state of matter/energy beyond "mental" or "intellectual" energy, called "SPIRIT", then "we" are IT also, and hence, "we" have the Spirituality, and obviously the refined "intellect", as the Theist relies on "FAITH", and has rejected or suspended intellect. If there is a "trans-formation" or a "re-formation" to be had we the "non-believers", the "outsiders", or the "damned" as the RELIGIOUS call us, or as I call us, the "true believers in REALITY", can help make it happen...We can do it!

Just expose and question! Don't accept Fantasy, Magic or Mystery as THE Answer! TRUE REALITY IS MAGICAL ENOUGH! WE ARE THE INFONAUTS! LOGIC is our TOOL. ONE or UNITY IS SIMPLE! SO IS ETERNAL SPACEMOTION!

As Jean-Luc Picard of the Star Ship Enterprise (a fantasy) said: MAKE IT SO!

or AMEN! ;-))

My imaging of the concept of the 2 sides of the 2 dimensional LOGOS (logic) PYRAMID: (in latin)

In excelsis, ex Uno Pluria
(In the highest, from ONE, many)
In excelsis, e pluribus Unuum
(In the highest, from many, ONE)

The theist would say:
In excelsis Deo!

In other words: DON'T THINK! Just Believe what we say! or be Damned!
I placed the words above in a "Christmas song" called "The Bells Of Christmas Day".

THE BELLS OF CHRISTMAS DAY
By 4d-Don (SOCAN)
Key of E (Capo 2....Play D) in 4/4 Time-Folk
(Notes inside Brackets are walking base runs-a 3-note intro base run starting on an D-E-F# note capoed at 2nd fret. Starting note and chord is D(A)


D(A) D(G) D(F#) D(E) G(D) G(F#) A7(E) A7(A) A-B-C#
I hear the bells of Christmas day

D(D) A7(E) Bm(F#) G(D) A(F#) A(E) D(F#) D(D) D-E-F#
Although there are no stee ples around

D(A)D(G)D(F#) D(E) G(D) G(F#) A7(E) A7(A) A-B-C#
And all of na ture bids me stay
D(D) A7(E) Bm(F#) G(G) A(F#)A(E) D(D) D(D) D(D) D-E-F#
To live in har mo ny and join in the Sound


CHORUS

D D(F#) G A
Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong

D A7(E) Bm/F# G F#m(F#) A(E) D D
In ex cel sis ex u - no pluria

D D (F#) G A
Ding, Dong, Ding, Dong

D A7(E) Bm/F# G A(F#) A(E ) D D
In ex cel sis e pluri bus unum


I pray the stars light Bethleem
I pray the city lights don't burn you down
I pray the world one day unites
To live in harmony and join in the Sound

I pray for Peace in New Salem (Jerusalem)
I pray the Gods of War, don’t burn it down
I pray in Peace we all abide
And live in harmony and join in the Sound

I pray for joy throughout the year
I pray the sounds of joy don’t drown out the tears
I Pray in light we all abound
And sing in harmony and join in the Sound.




For more...see my comments on: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm

Theism and Deism

This is from a comment on: Atheism, the Capital Man


For those who are not familiar with the terms, a Theist (God in Greek-Theos) believes in a God who is "involved" with His creation. This is usually a Male God, often "plural, originating for the western cultures in the desert, nomadic, and later farming cultures of the Near East and Asia.

A Deist (God in Latin-Deus) believes in an intelligent Deity that is un-involved in the daily workings of "ITS" (Neuter) creation. For some, the Deity (latin-Deus) is a process, or a principle such as LOGIC (Greek-LOGOS as in Biblical John 1).

The latin, "Deus", was later translated to G-O-D or Gott by the Gothic (Germanic) Empire theologians who already had their name for the DIVINITY: Goth, Gott, and then the English G-O-D.

That is the same Gothic (Germanic) Empire that sacked Rome in the 4th century (After the Common Era (ACE)). The Goths were at that time being displaced from their homelands by the Huns of "Attila the Hun" fame. This was right after Constantine, with his Council of Nicea, had Christ placed as part of the "Trinity of The ONE (God)" as the second "person", the son of GOD, and "WHO" (a person) was there with the ONE (a number), LOGOS (logic), Yahweh/Elohim (I Am that I am....no name, no form) at the BEGINNING of TIME. This was done so Constantine could become a Christian and have his sins "forgiven" and thus avoid his "cause and effect" debt for the crimes of killing many of his family. That was a belief of the Pagans.

The folowers of Egyptian Bishop Arius (Arians-synchronistically similar to "aryans" of the later Nazis) rejected and opposed this theology at the Council of Nicea. This was seen as a corruption of the philosophical "ONE" God of Monotheism and the Duality (two) of other cultures (Zoroastrian) and into a TRINITY (three). Later the Goth would also reject this "Constantinean" theology but would later relinquish (flip-flop for political reasons?) and become "adherents" to the Nicene Creed (For Nicean Council of Constantine, Emperor of Rome)

A Deist is closer to an a-theist. A theist is closer to Magic and Fantasy.

In the Catholic Church philosophy and theology, that would be reflected in the views of Thomas Aquinas, follower of Aristotle and the Greek Atomists, versus Augustine, follower of Plato and his world view.

This is the Thomas Aquinas (supported and inspired by such philosopher as Rene Descartes (of "I think therfore I am" fame) , and Roger Bacon), who can be credited for the undermining of Church/State dictatorial control that brought about the "Protestant REFORMATION" of the Roman Catholic PYRAMID and freed the intelligentia, the scientific community, and that ushered in the Age of Reason, and the other physical revolutions, industrial revolution, the baron's revolution and the Magna Carta, French Revolution (petit bourgeois), Workers revolutions (unions) , and finally the electrical revolution, the quantum revolution, the electronics revolutions and the "information AGE"...And the INFONAUTS....

Other Theistic cultures and Theocracies also need their Reformation so as to move away from MAGIC and FANTASY to an "intelligent" and Logical ONE (number) or UNITY.

ONE (Deity) CAN'T BE A PERSON! To accept ONE or UNITY as a PROCESS or a PRINCIPLE, not a PERSON, would place the theists at the corrective decision point in the LOOP their "idols" (leaders) took centuries ago and again some many more centuries ago.

If theists (monotheists) accept FANTASY and MAGIC again, they should not expect a DIFFERENT RESULT as from the LAST TIME will they? That would define "INSANITY" would it not?

Faith (blind faith) inevitable leads to violence and even WAR!

Personal THEISM Hides FEAR (of being alone )

From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm


For many who believe in a PERSONAL GOD (and hence a personal SATAN, LUCIFER, DEVIL), the "FEAR of Being Alone" is worse than the "fear of HELL"...IN HELL, one is "HOT" and not alone, as (apparently) MANY are the damned.


4d-don Said:

The first steps to "salvation" from the NEED for a personal GOD or THEISM, is to expose, deal with, and cure "SORROW", this loneliness, or sadness. (not the YEARNING which is POSITIVE). This Sorrow, is self-created as many (if not all) fantasies, but encouraged and guided by most RELIGIONS, through manipulation of our fear of being alone. It begins with the Proselytizer himself/herself being "afraid of being alone" and then CREATING or DISCOVERING a fantasy (anecdote, story, poem, song,) that relates or addresses that dis-ease and then presuming it in others through: generalized SCRIPTURES and other "Authorities" and then offering SALVATION from IT. And it is what the GROUP (Religions) offers.

If one is a "believer" in the first place, one, as part of the GREAT ONE (NUMBER), is "IN REALITY" never alone. It is not possible, and a fantasy, a delusion, or a false fear in itself.

The fear of DEATH, (another LORD who "comes like a thief") is the other facet of this fear of "the black hole" as opposed to the promised "HEAVEN" with the "white clouds", trickling water, green pastures, the fluffy little angels, and temperate heat, pleasant light and sound, "music", (no rhythm, ephemeral, no melody, so nothing to remember or "THINK OF"... just sounds but "NICE and SOFT")

Fantasies are nice but to believe them is ??

What's the difference between a Neurotic, a Psychotic, and a psychiatrist?

The neurotic builds castles in Spain, the Psychotic lives in them and the Psychiatrist collects the rent!!

In the case of RELIGIONS and GODS, THE PRIESTS collects the RENT for the POPES and the physical structure of RELIGION.

(4d-don / November 11, 2007 - 03:34 am)

Judas, The Comeback

This is from NEWSBLOG in the Guardian of
April 7, 2006 1:45 PM

(See my comment below)

With the happy news that Judas, one of history's most vilified traitors, was just following orders and not such a bad guy after all, it seems as good a time as any to cast a backwards glance over some of the great rehabilitations of our time.

Judas: this is what really happened

Julian Borger and Stephen Bates
Friday April 7, 2006
The Guardian

After being reviled for almost 2,000 years as the embodiment of treachery, Judas Iscariot's side of the story was finally published yesterday. Thanks to a newly discovered gospel in Judas's name, we now know what his excuse was: Jesus made me do it.

The Gospel of Judas, a fragile clutch of a leather-bound papyrus thought to have been inscribed in about AD300, was unveiled yesterday in Washington by the National Geographic Society, and it represents a radical makeover for one of the worst reputations in history.

According to this version of events, not only was Judas obeying orders when he handed Jesus to his persecutors, he was Christ's most trusted disciple, singled out to receive mystical knowledge.

According to the 26-page gospel, copied in the ancient Coptic language apparently from a Greek original more than a hundred years older, Jesus told Judas: "Step away from the others and I shall tell you the mysteries of the kingdom. It is possible for you to reach it, but you will grieve a great deal."

In the days before the fateful Passover holiday, Jesus also told Judas: "You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me." The line, according to biblical scholars, suggests that Jesus chose Judas to help him achieve his destiny by liberating him from his earthly body.

"It's a striking contrast with the negative portrayal of Judas as the quintessential traitor," said Marvin Meyer, a biblical scholar from Chapman University in California who helped translate the gospel. "The figure of Judas is often portrayed as the evil Jewish person who turned Jesus in to be killed."

It is unlikely, however, that the documents are about to trigger a total rehabilitation for the Iscariot name, with shrines in his name and readings from his gospel at church services, let alone a film treatment by Mel Gibson.

The initial reaction from Christian scholars was wary. Even if the gospel is authentic, they said, it appears to be the work of a particular 2nd-century sect, the gnostics, who had different beliefs from the mainstream church and who were long ago declared heretical.

The leading biblical scholar and translator of the dead sea scrolls, Professor Geza Vermes of Oxford University, said: "The document is of interest for the ideas of the gnostics but it almost certainly adds nothing to our understanding of what happened 150 years before it was written."

But the Gospel of Judas is bound to focus more attention on the gnostics, whose belief that they possessed secret knowledge leading to salvation resonates with new-age mysticism. Another gnostic text, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, discovered a century ago, has been given a dose of publicity lately by The Da Vinci Code.

The manuscript also serves as a reminder that the four gospels in the New Testament were not the only versions of Jesus's life in the early Christian era, according to Bart Ehrman, a religious studies professor at the University of North Carolina, at its unveiling yesterday. "In the struggle among Christian groups to win converts only one emerged victorious," he said. "It declared itself orthodox and all others heretics."

The Gospel of Judas is known to have existed before AD180, when it was denounced as heretical by Bishop Irenaeus of Lyon. But it was thought to have been lost when the gnostics were vanquished in the struggle of ideas in the early years of Christianity.

The papyrus manuscript, also known as a codex, was found in an Egyptian cave in 1978. It circulated among antiquities traders for a while before it was locked in a safe deposit box in Long Island, New York, by a collector. It was bought in 2000 by a Swiss dealer, who realised its importance and its rapidly deteriorating condition and handed it over to the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art in Basel the next year.

"The manuscript was so brittle, it would crumble at the slightest touch," said Rodolphe Kasser, a Coptic expert called in to help reconstruct it.

It has taken five years to reassemble the fragments, translate the manuscript and authenticate it. Radiocarbon dating by the University of Arizona showed it was likely to have been written between AD220 and 340.

Scholars in Britain pointed out that the document appeared to have been written several decades after the last of the gospels in the New Testament - that of John - and at least a century after the death of Judas Iscariot.

The Rt Rev John Pritchard, the Church of England Bishop of Jarrow, said: "I don't think it changes anything about the truth of the Christian faith. There has long been a theory that Judas wanted to flush Jesus out, to declare a rebellion and drive the Romans out and killed himself when he realised he had got it wrong, but we don't know that and neither did whoever wrote this document decades after the event. This is not something to put your faith on."

By the time the Gospel of Judas was written the basic content of the New Testament was in place; the criteria for choosing the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, as opposed to any of up to 30 alternatives, were their authenticity and direct authorial links to men who knew Jesus. Other texts, including presumably this one, were sifted out over succeeding centuries.

According to the Gospel of Judas, Jesus tells him: "You will be cursed by the other generations - and you will come to rule over them."

The first half of that prophecy has certainly come to pass. The second, even after yesterday's revelations, still seems a long way off.

· The Gospel of Judas will be shown on the National Geographic Channel on Sunday at 9pm

4d-don commented:

Hi Christians...

Amazing again that the gnostics resurface millenia after they were massacred by the "orthodox catholics" in the name of Christ. The (intellectual) slaughter still goes on as so-called officials of the orthodox churches, without knowing anything of importance on the subject, and not versed on the subject, reject the authenticity and even the hypothesis that the document could be accurate, out of hand. Is that the best "expertism" has to offer, and what or who should we put our faith in? A judgement without a trial? Christ would have wished better for his Apostles, even for Judas and Mary Magdalen. And what about the other of the original 12. Were they also "edited" out because of the content of their writings?

For the love of "Christ", have a heart for Poor Judas, and Mary Magdalen et al and let them have a "legacy" beside that of a traitor and a whore, all built on the rambling and ravings of power-hungry and corrupt Orthodox Imperialists of the 2nd and 3rd Centuries. The so-called "Holy Roman Catholic Church" the remnants of the Holy Roman EMPIRE!

Have a Heart and become Christ-like if not Christians...

4d-Don

Put God and Holy Books on Trial

From: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm

4d-don said:

It is HIGH TIME to put GOD and the HOLY BOOKS of all religions ON TRIAL (International Tribunal).

Any criminal activity (hatred, incitement to hatred, murder, incitement to murder, genocide, conspiracy, and many more...) by either the "GOD" or "His/Her/It's" (usually male) REPRESENTATIVES should bring a removal of the "tax-exempt" status of the RELIGION in all UN Countries.

The evidence of criminal activity by many Religions is in black and white in their HOLY BOOKS.

If GOD is found "innocent" then IT's representatives should be forced to remove from the HOLY BOOKS the sections where the crimes are attributed to, or ordered by "GOD" as a condition for the continued operation of the RELIGION (cult) in any UN countries.

RELIGIONS should not be "tax-exempt" for creating a social problem (crime) and not adhering to the civil laws of the land, but if doing charity work, only the CHARITY WORK portion of that religion (cult) should be TAX EXEMPT, not the PROSELYTIZING of what now appears to be a CRIMINAL GOD, served by criminal representatives and gullible and naive but innocent followers!!

(4d-Don / October 24, 2007 - 09:11 pm)

How about a number for GOD...ONE?

Taken from:
http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm

Kim Piercey said:

One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. God wants to be your Saviour not your judge. Turn to Him and life will change. You can mock all you like but the truth is nothing in life will satisfy you until you have tried God!
(Kim Piercey / October 16, 2007 - 00:26 pm)

4d-Don said:

Those (Judeo-Christians) who pretend to know what their God (from the Goth (Germanic) empire that sacked Rome in the 4th century of the "common era" (CE)) wants, says and does always say that their God wants to SAVE us (and then punish us if we refuse). From WHAT? Satan, is what they answer. A powerful OPPOSITE of their GOD. MONOTHEISM is now DUALITY.

To speak for the ONE is a disease (psychosis that leads to megalomania), not a virtue.

To claim to know what the ONE desires is "blasphemy", as ONE (what they call G-O-D) does not have "attributes", wants and desires they claim.

To put Christ as GOD (Trinity) and then to call it by the lowly name of LORD (such as LORD Conrad Black et al) is "idolatry" at best and so "Constantinean" (see the Roman Emperor and his role in this schismic travesty) at worse.

Now the name for the ONE in Judaism is "Yahweh", or JEHOVA, not G-O-D. The Greek concept that preceded the Judaic concept of Yahweh and Elohim was LOGOS (LOGIC as defined by SOUND) not the static and germanic translation: "WORD". This LOGOS is translated in French as "VERB" not G-O-D or WORD. (see John 1).

To believe in GOD and not YAHWEH, ELOHIM, LOGOS, is so GERMANIC or GOTH! Now do you wonder why the resurgence of the GOTH culture in our YOUTH? Not the SPIRITUAL ACME of THEOLOGY for HOMO SAPIENS!

Those who are atheist and do not believe in your or any of the many GODs, CHRISTs (Messiah), WORDs, and who believe that MAN (homo sapiens) must save HIMSELF also have a "hard-wired" need for the MYSTICAL experience, hence believe in SOMETHING...WE just don't call it GOD, LORD, KING, etc...IT IS TOO LOWLY! Some, but not all, prefer ONE, UNITY, ALL etc... and what about NO ATTRIBUTES FOR THE ONE (such as FATHER, MALE, etc...)

WHAT ABOUT A NUMBER? ONE? ALL?

GET TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW! STOP FIGHTING and WAR!!

Christ, when he was living was not LORD and did not die as a LORD!

If God (Yahweh, Elohim, LOGOS) is LORD, then he (male) should be made a member of the MALE HOUSE OF LORDS, not the house (pantheon) of the SPIRITUAL (no gender) GODS!

(4d-don / October 22, 2007 - 10:13 pm)

Validating Proof of the ONE

Taken from: http://atheisme.free.fr/Votre_espace/Visitors_book.htm

Adam Sandler said:

u suck, i mean you dont even offer validating proof of ANY of your ideas or "facts"
(adam sandler / October 10, 2007 - 01:33 am)

4d-don said:

Those who "demand" validating proof of the "non-existence" of a "MYTH" (GOD) created by our un-developed, warring, and frightened fore-fathers obviously must have "validating" proof of the existence of the ONE (the Divine, what some call "GOD"). That PROOF? Their HOLY BOOKs... which are now considered "scientific" or validating proof of not only the ONE, but of his opponent "SATAN" or the DEMONS of the "underworld" who will EAT you if you don't perform certain RITUALS...

What was once called "CREATIONISM" is now called by the more scientific "INTELLIGENT DESIGN"...We can agree with that ONE! The UNIVERSE IS INTELLIGENT although some parts of the UNIVERSE (the ALL) or ONE (GOD) are more "intelligent" than others.

From the ONE of MONO-theism, comes the Duality of "inside and outside" of GOD...So accordingly, the ONE is not ALL, but there is a group of (damned) spirits and a "FIRE", who are outside the ONE and live in the HELL of "OUT THERE". That is not MONO (ONE) but DUAL-ity (TWO)...and all without "symetry"...

According to them, The ONE is IMPERFECT since there are someones or somethings "OUTSIDE" of the ONE...And apparently, the ONE is NOT A PERSON but a SPIRIT or I prefer: ALL...

Those who worship a PERSONAL ONE cannot PROVE the existence of that ONE (person), those who don't believe in that ONE can't prove it's "non-existence".

That is the "Science" of RELIGION...which is also the science of "Fantasy".

Whatever you can "think", you can CREATE...And if you write it down, the "gullible" followers will come! Be it Harry Potter or GOD...

Creating a RELIGION is easy...Ask PT Barnum who said: "There is a new one (sucker) born every minute."

(4d-don / October 14, 2007 - 09:00 pm)